What factors determine the composition of a planet's atmosphere?

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The discussion revolves around the factors that determine the composition of a planet's atmosphere, focusing on the influence of a planet's mass and temperature on its ability to retain various gases. Participants explore theoretical aspects and implications for different types of planets, including gas giants and hot Jupiters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the mass of a body affects the types of gases it can retain, citing Earth's loss of lighter gases like helium compared to gas giants like Saturn and Jupiter, which retain hydrogen and helium.
  • Another participant introduces a formula related to escape velocity, suggesting that higher temperatures allow lighter atoms to achieve escape velocity more easily, while heavier planets can retain lighter atoms due to their higher escape velocity.
  • A participant speculates about the mass loss of hot Jupiters, questioning whether their high temperatures contribute to atmospheric loss over time.
  • One participant references a Wikipedia article that discusses non-thermal losses, such as solar and stellar winds, and includes a chart of escape velocity versus temperature for various gases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on how mass and temperature influence atmospheric retention, but there is no consensus on the specifics of gas retention or the implications for different types of planets.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the relationship between temperature, mass, and gas retention are not fully explored, and the discussion includes references to external sources that may have limitations or varying interpretations.

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I'm curious as to how the mass of a body affects the kind of atmosphere it can hold. I know that Earth tends to lose its lightest gases over time, which is one reason why helium doesn't build up in the atmosphere, whereas planets like Saturn and Jupiter have held on to lots and lots of hydrogen and helium. However, I haven't read much on how other gases are affected. Does anyone have any good information on this?
 
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I don't have a good source, but ## \bar{v}=\sqrt{\frac{8 kT}{\pi m}} ##. This means with sufficiently high temperatures, atoms of lighter masses are going to be able to thermally acquire the necessary escape velocity more readily. The escape velocity, with ## \frac{1}{2}(m)v^2=\frac{GM}{r}(m) ##, (the ## m's ## cancel) , will be higher for a planet of heavier mass ## M ## . Thereby a cold planet with a heavy mass favors being able to contain the lighter atoms in its atmosphere.
 
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That matches with what I was thinking, but I hadn't seen any real information on the subject before. Makes me wonder if all those hot Jupiter's are slowly losing mass.
 
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This wikipedia article deals with the issue. It includes a useful overview of the importance of non-thermal losses (especially solar/stellar winds) in some circumstances. There is a useful chart plotting escape velocity versus temperature for some of the more important gases.
 
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Ophiolite said:
This wikipedia article deals with the issue. It includes a useful overview of the importance of non-thermal losses (especially solar/stellar winds) in some circumstances. There is a useful chart plotting escape velocity versus temperature for some of the more important gases.

Thanks! Just what I was looking for!
 

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