I What force accelerates a car down hill?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Zutswang
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gravity
Click For Summary
The discussion centers on the nature of gravity and its role in accelerating a car downhill, particularly in the context of general relativity (GR). Participants debate whether gravity is a force or a result of curved spacetime, with some asserting that gravity does not initiate motion but rather describes the path objects take in a gravitational field. The conversation highlights the distinction between Newtonian gravity as a force and Einstein's view of gravity as the curvature of spacetime. Key points include the observation that a car rolling downhill is influenced by the loss of friction and the curvature of spacetime, not just gravity as a force. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the complexity of understanding gravity and its effects on motion.
  • #31
To put things straight, i don't want to criticize the video. It certainly makes the idea of curved spacetime more accesible. Certainly for beginners accustumed to "ordinary high-school" physics.

It just occurred to me, that this is "I" topic which i read means undergrad, which i googled means someone pursuing bachelor degree. In this level, it could be perhaps good not to ignore that both diagrams are of completely different nature and that, if we try to draw space-time diagram in Newton theory it should be more similar to GR view.

Just a thought i wanted to throw here, of course i don't know your intentions for this video.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #32
Ibix said:
No. I said the rubber sheet model cannot explain certain things without invoking gravity. The rubber sheet model is not general relativity. (On a re-read, I see that wasn't entirely clearly written in my previous post).
If you believe this, place a ball on the sheet, stationary with respect to the mass in the centre. Now explain to me why it starts moving without reference to the actual force of gravity. Note also that if gravity plays no role, this experiment ought to work on the ISS. Do you think it will?

I repeat that it is, of course, possible to describe gravity without using gravity. But the rubber sheet model does not do it.
Something like this: https://xkcd.com/895/
 
  • #33
Umaxo said:
In MTW it was shown (chapter 12) that Newtonian gravitation in geometric language can still be described as curved spacetime (i.e. freely falling particle moves on geodesic).
Yes, also see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton–Cartan_theory

Umaxo said:
So basicly Newton and GR picture should be much more similar.
The video compares GR to Newton's formulation of his theory, not to its geometrical re-formulation.
 
  • #34
Zutswang said:
If, according to general relativity, gravity doesn't exist and falling bodies simply follow curved space, what starts them falling to begin with? If a car parked on a hill slips its brakes what starts it rolling downhill, and what force accelerates it?
In case of a hanged man floor keeps supplying momentum to his feet so that he does not fall or move through geodesic. When the floor disappears he starts moving through geodesic. After a while rope around his neck will supply momentum again to prevent him following geodesic. I hope it will be broken off.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 69 ·
3
Replies
69
Views
7K
  • · Replies 61 ·
3
Replies
61
Views
7K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
4K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 44 ·
2
Replies
44
Views
7K
  • · Replies 51 ·
2
Replies
51
Views
4K
  • · Replies 37 ·
2
Replies
37
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
1K