What Forces Act on a Particle Confined in a Rotating Slot?

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on a particle confined to move along a smooth horizontal slot due to the rotation of an arm. Participants explore the application of cylindrical coordinates and the relationships between angular acceleration, radial and tangential forces, and the resulting normal force on the particle.

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Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster presents a problem involving a particle of mass 0.5kg confined in a rotating slot and attempts to calculate the normal force and the force of the rod on the particle at a specific angle.
  • Some participants question the relevance of the radial length r in the context of the problem, suggesting that the motion is constrained to the horizontal direction.
  • One participant suggests finding an expression for the horizontal position of the particle in terms of θ to relate its acceleration to the parameters given.
  • Another participant argues that using cylindrical coordinates simplifies the expressions, although they acknowledge the need to determine the forces acting on the particle.
  • There is a challenge regarding the calculation of forces, with the initial poster expressing confusion over discrepancies in their results compared to accepted answers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem. There are competing views on whether to focus on radial coordinates or horizontal motion, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method to determine the forces acting on the particle.

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Some limitations include the dependence on the definitions of motion in cylindrical coordinates and the assumptions made about the constraints of the particle's movement. The mathematical steps involved in the calculations are not fully resolved, leading to uncertainty in the results.

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Homework Statement


The particle has a mass of 0.5kg and is confined to move along the smooth horizontal slot due to the rotation of the arm OA. Determine the force of the rod on the particle and the normal force of the slot on the particle when θ = 30∘. The arm has an angular acceleration of θ¨ = 3rad/s2 and θ˙ = 2rad/s at this instant. Assume the particle contacts only one side of the slot at any instant.

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Homework Equations


\Sigma F_{\theta} = ma_{\theta} \\<br /> \Sigma F_{r} = ma_{r} \\<br /> a_{r} = \ddot{r} - r\dot{\theta}^{2} \\<br /> a_{\theta} = r\ddot{\theta} + 2\dot{r}\dot{\theta}

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My FBD.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/VAqoFLBBhCio8VVq62KJRvtmu9QsbRGa2Q9CcRHICXSSob2s-51TBrK10MZ0dZB6GQhlqn5YBxk=w1342-h547 [/B]
Establishing the position equation and taking time derivatives.
r=(0.5m)cos\theta \\<br /> \dot{r}=-(0.5m)sin(\theta)\dot{\theta} \\<br /> \ddot{r}=-(0.5m)[\ddot{\theta}sin\theta + \dot{\theta}^2cos\theta]<br />
Solving using the given values for theta, theta**, and theta*...
r|_{\theta=30}=(0.5m)cos(30)=0.43m \\<br /> \dot{r}|_{\theta=30,\dot{\theta}=2}=-(0.5m)sin(30)(2 rad/sec)=-0.5 m/sec \\<br /> \ddot{r}|_{\theta=30,\dot{\theta}=2,\ddot{\theta}=3}=-(0.5m)[(3rad/sec^2)sin(3)+(2rad/sec)^2cos(30)]=-2.45m/sec^2<br />
Solving for ar yields
a_{r}=(-2.48m/sec^2)-(0.43m)(2rad/sec)^2=-4.20 m/sec^2
Sum of the forces in radial direction...
\Sigma F_{r}=Ncos(30)-mgcos(30)=ma_{r}
Solving in terms of N and plugging in the variables gives me a value of N as 2.47N, when the accepted answer is 6.37N and based on the sum of forces in theta direction the value for F depends on N. I've done this problem over 3 times and still can't see where I am going wrong. :(
 

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Can you explain why you're looking at the radial length r? Presumably the particle's motion is constrained to the x-direction and the arm slides (presumably without friction) against it. Perhaps you might consider finding an expression for the horizontal position of the particle in terms of θ, then see how its acceleration relates to the given parameters of θ for the instant in question.
 
gneill said:
Can you explain why you're looking at the radial length r?
I went right to looking at r since this question immediately follows a chapter on expressing motion in the cylindrical coordinate system (r,theta,z).

gneill said:
Perhaps you might consider finding an expression for the horizontal position of the particle in terms of θ, then see how its acceleration relates to the given parameters of θ for the instant in question.
I feel as though that would complicate the problem. Cylindrical coordinates simplify the expressions a little.
 
Haptic9504 said:
I went right to looking at r since this question immediately follows a chapter on expressing motion in the cylindrical coordinate system (r,theta,z).
But in this case you are looking for the forces acting on the particle, which is constrained to move horizontally. If you can determine its horizontal acceleration you can determine the net horizontal force acting on it. Then it's a bit of vector component work to sort out the rest.
 

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