What Forces Cause an Airbag to Jump When Detonated?

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The discussion centers around the forces involved when an airbag is detonated while positioned on the ground. Participants explore the mechanics of the airbag's upward motion, considering various forces at play, including gas expansion and support forces. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and analogies to similar phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the upward motion is due to the support force preventing the airbag from sinking into the ground.
  • Another participant proposes that a recoil force could occur if gases expand unsymmetrically, although they express doubt about this due to the closed system nature of the airbag.
  • A question is raised about the difference in behavior if the airbag were detonated while hanging, prompting a comparison to inflating a mattress.
  • It is noted that the airbag lifts itself by pushing against the ground, similar to how a person jumps.
  • An analogy is made to a compressed spring that jumps when released, suggesting that rapid expansion generates the force needed for upward motion.
  • One participant reiterates the initial question about the forces involved, adding a reference to popcorn as a related phenomenon.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the forces causing the airbag to jump, with no consensus reached on a singular explanation. Multiple competing ideas remain, highlighting the complexity of the scenario.

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Some assumptions about the nature of the forces and the system's behavior are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical or physical principles involved.

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Let me explain: In the Finnish forum for extremely stupid people like myself, I stumbled on this kind of silly dilemma: You have an airbag, and you put it on the ground, airbag pointing upwards. When you detonate it, it will jump up and fly. What force make it jump? Is it that expanding bag which is dragging itself off the ground, gas from the explosion, opposite force of explosion towards the ground, or something completely different?
 
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The upwards force in this situation is the support force that prevents it from sinking in the ground.

Edit: in the unedited post, I said that a recoil force like with a rocket can be possible if the gases expand unsymmetrically, but this is probably not correct because the bag is a closed system.
 
Would you expect it to move if it was detonated while hanging on the line? How do these scenarios differ?

Also, it is not different from inflating a mattress or anything else lying on the ground. Just faster, so the effect is more prominent and spectacular.
 
It lifts itself up by pushing on the ground, the same as when you jump.
 
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Another way to see the same thing -- compress a spring and tie a string around it so it stays compressed. Set it on the ground with the spring axis pointing up. Cut the string with a pair of scissors, and the spring jumps into the air. It's the rapid expansion to a larger size that generates the force to make the spring jump up. :smile:
 
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Let me explain: In the Finnish forum for extremely stupid people like myself, I stumbled on this kind of silly dilemma: You have an airbag, and you put it on the ground, airbag pointing upwards. When you detonate it, it will jump up and fly. What force make it jump? Is it that expanding bag which is dragging itself off the ground, gas from the explosion, opposite force of explosion towards the ground, or something completely different?
Are you familiar with pop corn?
 
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