What Forces Influence the Moon in the Sun's Inertial Frame of Reference?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the forces acting on the Moon when considered from the Sun's inertial frame of reference. Participants explore gravitational influences and the relevance of fictitious forces in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant lists gravitational forces from the Sun and Earth, along with centrifugal force from the Moon's rotation around the Earth, questioning the correctness of this list.
  • Another participant agrees with the gravitational forces but suggests that the influence of other planets is negligible and challenges the inclusion of centrifugal force, stating it is a fictitious force not relevant in an inertial frame.
  • A later reply confirms the absence of fictitious forces in the inertial frame, emphasizing that only real forces should be considered.
  • Another participant poses a question regarding the force that prevents the Moon from falling into the Earth, suggesting that it is the Moon's speed rather than a force that maintains its orbit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the gravitational forces acting on the Moon but disagree on the relevance of centrifugal force in an inertial frame. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conceptual understanding of forces versus motion in this context.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and implications of fictitious forces versus real forces in an inertial frame, as well as the role of the Moon's velocity in its orbital dynamics.

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What forces affect on the Moon in the Inertial frame of reference which is the Sun?
+gravity form the Sun
+gravity from the Earth
+centrifugal force from the rotationary movement of the Moon round the Earth


is this list correct?
 
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menager31 said:
+gravity form the Sun
+gravity from the Earth
Sounds good. I suspect the effect of other planets would be negligible.
+centrifugal force from the rotationary movement of the Moon round the Earth
Centrifugal force is a "fictitious" force that appears when viewing things from a non-inertial rotating frame; it's not relevant in an inertial frame.
 
Yes, I know that there isn't any centrifugal force in this frame from the rotating movement round the Sun, so we cannot include any fictitious forces in an inertial frame?
 
That is correct: no fictitious forces in an inertial frame.
 
A question from Polish Physics Olympiad again...
 
How do you call the force that prevents the moon falling into/to the Earth ?
 
alvaros said:
How do you call the force that prevents the moon falling into/to the Earth ?
What prevents the moon from falling into the Earth is its speed, not a force. If you were to remove gravity, the moon would just keep going in a straight line.
 

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