What Free Programs Exist for Simulating Multi-Particle Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion centers around the search for free programs that can simulate multi-particle quantum mechanics, with an emphasis on understanding the dynamics of multiple interacting particles and their wavefunctions. Participants explore potential approaches and clarify concepts related to quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of fermions and their interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares a link to a simulation for single particles and inquires about equivalent programs for multi-particle systems.
  • Another participant suggests using existing 2D quantum mechanics applets by reinterpreting coordinates to represent multiple particles in 1D.
  • There is a discussion about calculating the total potential energy of charged particles and treating them as a single particle in a 2D framework, with concerns about the stability of wavefunctions and potentials.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the behavior of wavefunctions for more than two fermions, noting that the explanation for two fermions does not easily extend to three without modification.
  • A later reply provides a mathematical condition that a three-fermion wave function must satisfy, emphasizing the complexity of the wave function as a function of multiple positions.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification provided in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach for simulating multi-particle systems, and there are multiple competing views regarding the treatment of wavefunctions for interacting fermions.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of wavefunctions and the mathematical conditions that must be satisfied, which may not be fully resolved or universally accepted among participants.

dsoodak
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http://www.falstad.com/qm1d/
is a really good way of getting a feel for the dynamics of a single particle in a variety of potential wells.
Does anyone know of an equivalent (hopefully free) program for multi-particle systems?

Dustin Soodak
 
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Well, the same guy has some QM applets for a single particle in 2D. You could take these and reinterpret the x and y coordinates as the coordinates of two particles each moving in 1D, and the potential V(x, y) as an interaction potential.
 
So you can just calculate the total potential energy of the charged particles with each other and the background field and treat it as one particle moving in 2D? I was afraid I would have to keep iterating the wavefunctions and electrical potentials until they both got to stable values...

I am still unclear on exactly what happens to the wavefunctions when you have more than 2 fermions interacting. Exactly 2 is generally explained by saying that they are always 180 degrees (in complex plane) out of phase so cancel out when on top of each other, but this idea doesn't work for 3 objects without some modification.

I was originally going to ask both of these questions in separate threads but then figured it would be easier if I could just look at an existing simulation.
 
dsoodak said:
So you can just calculate the total potential energy of the charged particles with each other and the background field and treat it as one particle moving in 2D?

Yes, the Schrödinger equation looks formally the same in both cases.

dsoodak said:
I am still unclear on exactly what happens to the wavefunctions when you have more than 2 fermions interacting.

A three-fermion wave function is a complex function of three positions: ##\psi(x_1, x_2, x_3)##. It must obey the condition

##\psi(x_1, x_2, x_3) = \psi(x_2, x_3, x_1) = \psi(x_3, x_1, x_2) = -\psi(x_2, x_1, x_3) = -\psi(x_1, x_3, x_2) = -\psi(x_3, x_2, x_1)##

i.e., swapping any two arguments must give an overall minus sign. If you start with a wave function obeying this condition and then evolve it in time according to the Schrödinger equation, it will keep obeying this condition.
 
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Thanks! That clarified a couple of things I've been trying to work out.
 

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