What happens after we explore everything?

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The discussion explores the implications of a society achieving immortality and advanced technology, including intergalactic travel and DNA repair through nanobots. Participants reference Jack Chalker's "The Well of Souls" and Iain M. Banks' concept of "subliming" from his Culture series, suggesting that such advanced civilizations may seek to create new universes or dimensions. The conversation highlights the potential for infinite curiosity and complexity in social structures as intelligence evolves, while also acknowledging the philosophical limits of exploration and existence.

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  • Understanding of advanced concepts in science fiction, particularly "subliming" as described by Iain M. Banks.
  • Familiarity with the philosophical implications of immortality and advanced technology.
  • Knowledge of Jack Chalker's works, specifically "The Well of Souls."
  • Basic comprehension of Gödel's incompleteness theorems and their relevance to intelligence and mathematics.
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  • Research the concept of "subliming" in Iain M. Banks' Culture series.
  • Explore the philosophical implications of immortality in science fiction literature.
  • Investigate the themes of creation and existence in Jack Chalker's "The Well of Souls."
  • Study Gödel's incompleteness theorems and their impact on the understanding of intelligence and knowledge.
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Science fiction enthusiasts, philosophers, futurists, and anyone interested in the implications of advanced technology and the future of human civilization.

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Try to imagine a society that has reached essentially immortality through advanced technology and has also mastered intergalactic travel, can tap into unlimited energy sources, has no need for food, have some nanobots repair all their damaged DNA, can manipulate spacetime time etc.. What would be next for them? Would they try to create their own sub-universe or even just a little solar system where they take some deity like presence among their own creations? Or maybe they would integrate themselves with the this universe through advanced technology?

Basically like a star trek like civilization after they boldly went were no one has gone before and returned and are asking themselves what now? After you have discovered everything, if such a task is possible, I guess the next step would be to create?
 
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Such creatures would (most likely) have unbounded intelligences. But, we know, by Godel, that mathematics is infinitely complex, so maths alone could keep these mega-brains occupied for ever.

Our monkey brains have evolved to handle social networks - fire, tools etc were just a side-effects. With greater intelligence would come more complex social networks, which would require greater brain power to handle etc etc.
 
dsaun777 said:
What would be next for them?

Jack Chalker, The Well of Souls.
 
Bystander said:
Jack Chalker, The Well of Souls.
Seems like an interesting read thank you!
 
This topic again is one which asks for 2001: A Space Odyssey. In the best of likelihoods though, what you propose is an impossibility followed by another impossibility.
 
When that occurs it's the end of the universe. No need to go on any longer!
 
Isn't the universe dynamic even if we learned and explored everything in universe at this moment there might be something new happening in the next moment which will again pique our curiosity
 
dsaun777 said:
What would be next for them?

In many sci-fi novels they leave our physical universe because it has become so well known and go...somewhere else. We mere mortals cannot comprehend where they go, but it is not death, merely another plane of existence.

Iain M. Banks called this subliming in his Culture series, with mature alien races taking up residence in several higher dimensions. Humans have not yet sublimed in his novels because while we could, there are still things for us to do in the current universe. Banks' characters often wish that the sublimed would intercede within our dimensional plane, as they could sort out the 'big issues' that vex humanity, but to the best of my recollection, they never do :smile:
 
much of the older science fiction describing civilizations in this situation pretty much described them as being on the way out through decadence, apathy or suicide. More often described as already gone.
 

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