What Happens to Gravitational Fields When Mass Converts to Energy?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications for gravitational fields when mass is converted to energy, exploring both theoretical and conceptual aspects of gravitational interactions in different frameworks, including Newtonian gravity and General Relativity (GR).

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the gravitational field remains unchanged when mass is converted to energy, as all forms of energy contribute to gravity initially.
  • Another participant challenges the notion that mass is the sole source of the gravitational field, emphasizing the role of the stress-energy tensor in GR.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the gravitational field would change for a nearby observer unless the energy is contained in a perfectly reflecting box during the conversion process.
  • One participant elaborates on the evolution of gravitational fields over time, using the earth-moon system as an example, and discusses the distinction between Newtonian gravity and GR regarding conservation of mass-energy.
  • The same participant notes that while the stress-energy tensor is fundamental in GR, scalar measures of mass-energy like ADM and Bondi mass are conserved in specific spacetimes, influencing the distant gravitational field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of mass-energy conversion on gravitational fields, with no consensus reached on the implications or outcomes of such conversions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining mass-energy conservation across different spacetimes and the complexities involved in measuring gravitational fields in both Newtonian and relativistic contexts.

Katamari
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I understand energy mass equivalence, but when mass is changed to energy what happens to it's gravitational field?
 
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Nothing. Stays the same. Whatever form the 'energy' takes: kinetic energy of the decay products, photons, etc, all those things are sources of gravity also. At least initially until things fly apart, the gravitational field will be the same.
 
I think the radiation would have to be kept in a perfectly reflecting box, or the gravitational field would change for a nearby observer. If the matter and antimatter are in the box, then anihilate, the field produced by the box and contents would not change. Pedantic is my middle name.:smile:
 
Katamari said:
I understand energy mass equivalence, but when mass is changed to energy what happens to it's gravitational field?

Even in Newtonian gravity, without conversion of mass to energy, the gravitational field of a system can change when the system evolves over time. For example, the gravitational field of the earth-moon system changes as they orbit around their common center of mass. However, those changes fall off quickly with distance, so an observer who is far away compared to the size of the system observes a constant field, equal to the field that would have been produced by a single particle with the same total mass.

In GR, there is no uniquely defined measure of mass-energy that is conserved in all spacetimes. As DaleSpam pointed out, it's the stress-energy tensor that is really fundamental in GR, not mass-energy. However, there are scalar measures of mass-energy such as ADM and Bondi mass that are conserved in specific types of spacetimes, such as asymptotically flat spacetimes. The distant, static field of a system in an asympotically flat spacetime is determined by its ADM or Bondi mass in exactly the way you would think. ADM and Bondi "mass" include both mass and energy (because otherwise they wouldn't be conserved).

So the short answer to your question is yes if you're talking about the distant, static field, in an asymptotically flat spacetime, and no otherwise -- which is not that different from the Newtonian answer.

-Ben
 

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