What Happens to Water Level When Ice Melts in a Beaker?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of what happens to the water level in a beaker when a block of ice floating in it melts. Participants explore various principles of physics, particularly Archimedes' principle, and the effects of density on buoyancy, while considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the water level should remain the same because the volume of water displaced by the ice is equal to the volume of water produced when the ice melts, as per Archimedes' principle.
  • Others argue that since ice is less dense than water, it may lead to a decrease in water level when it melts, raising questions about the relationship between density and displacement.
  • A later reply questions whether the melting ice releasing water affects the overall displacement, suggesting that the water level might rise.
  • Some participants emphasize that the buoyant force acting on the ice must equal its weight, which remains constant during melting, thus supporting the idea that the water level remains unchanged.
  • There are mentions of alternative scenarios, such as icebergs and other objects, to illustrate points about displacement and buoyancy.
  • Several participants discuss the expansion of water upon freezing, noting that this property contributes to the overall understanding of displacement and buoyancy in the context of ice melting.
  • Technical discussions arise regarding the mathematical and physical principles underlying buoyancy, with some participants expressing skepticism about intuitive understandings of these concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on whether the water level rises, falls, or remains the same when the ice melts. Participants express differing interpretations of Archimedes' principle and the implications of density on buoyancy.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding, such as the dependence on definitions of density and displacement, and the nuances of applying Archimedes' principle to different scenarios. Some responses also reflect uncertainty about the implications of melting ice in various contexts.

  • #31
Doc Al said:
An ice cube has a higher volume than an equal mass of liquid water. But the amount of water that a floating ice cube displaces is the amount of its volume under the water surface. That turns out to be exactly equal to the volume of water that will be created when that ice cube melts.

So then the water level will not change in the least bit. assuming tht hte icecube flaots with as much as itself under the surface. (wich it will do).


How many can agrea with Doc Al?
 
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  • #32
Grimstone said:
How many can agrea with Doc Al?

There's nothing to disagree with. If anyone disagrees they don't understand the basic physics behind it.
 
  • #33
Time for a simple science-fair-level experiment. Put water in a clear container, like a drinking glass, add ice, and use a sharpie to mark the water level. Come back later when some or all of the ice has melted, and check the water level vs the ink-mark. This would be a SLOW demonstration and would be a bit tedious. The best way to make this experiment fun for a science fair would be to use a web-cam to record the level as the ice melts, then speed up the loop on a laptop so people viewing the science-fair projects can see the process in its entirety.
 
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  • #34
Like I said, draw a diagram then it's obvious.
 

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  • #35
I think you can just go back and read the posts to see that everyone agrees with Doc Al. It was stated and restated many times.
 
  • #36
Doc Al said:
What do you think and why?

i didn't went through the entire thread but i think that the floating piece of ice does puts some pressure on the surface of the water which may cause the surface of the water to rise when the ice cube melts the pressure is gone but the water level will not drop as the molten ice cube is converted to water itself so level of water not changes according to me i am not 100% sure if i am right so correction will be highly appreciated:smile:
 

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