Does ice melt faster in water because helps to change the phase

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The discussion revolves around the melting of ice in different mediums, specifically comparing water and oil, and explores the factors influencing the rate of melting, including heat transfer coefficients and nucleation points. Participants also touch on the concept of superheating in relation to ice.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that nucleation points in water facilitate faster melting of ice compared to other mediums.
  • One participant mentions that the speed of ice melting is proportional to the heat transfer coefficient and temperature difference, noting that water has a higher heat transfer coefficient than oil.
  • Another participant shares personal experimental observations suggesting that ice melts faster in water, although they note that the difference in melting time with oil is minimal.
  • There is a question raised about whether ice can be superheated, with some participants expressing confusion about the definition of superheating.
  • One participant concludes that the temperature of water increases faster, which they believe contributes to the melting process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the melting of ice, particularly regarding the roles of nucleation and heat transfer coefficients. The discussion includes both experimental observations and theoretical considerations, with no consensus reached on the primary factors influencing the melting rate.

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Some claims depend on specific conditions, such as the temperatures of the mediums involved, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of heat transfer or nucleation processes.

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so according to this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleation
nucleation start faster when there is a round matter that already in the phase that the other matter is going to ,so in case of ice melting in water because it would have more Nucleation points,
edit: i mafe alittle experience and it does melt faster, in water but in the intrent the answer is that watter clear the heat faster so . I made the same exprince with oil and it worked too but the time diffrance is very low
 
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The speed of ice melting is proportional to the heat transfer coefficient (search the term) and the temperature difference. Water has a higher heat transfer coefficient than oil, so ice in water will melt faster than ice in oil. Assuming, of course, that the water and oil are at the same temperature.

If you want to understand why the heat transfer coefficient differs between water and oil, spend some time with the above search. If what you find is difficult to understand, be advised that heat transfer is a junior level course in a college mechanical engineering curriculum. It comes after calculus, physics, and thermodynamics in a typical curriculum: https://www.mtu.edu/mechanical/undergraduate/advising/pdfs/bsme-2019-2020.pdf. So don't get discouraged.
 
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jrmichler said:
The speed of ice melting is proportional to the heat transfer coefficient (search the term) and the temperature difference. Water has a higher heat transfer coefficient than oil, so ice in water will melt faster than ice in oil. Assuming, of course, that the water and oil are at the same temperature.

If you want to understand why the heat transfer coefficient differs between water and oil, spend some time with the above search. If what you find is difficult to understand, be advised that heat transfer is a junior level course in a college mechanical engineering curriculum. It comes after calculus, physics, and thermodynamics in a typical curriculum: https://www.mtu.edu/mechanical/undergraduate/advising/pdfs/bsme-2019-2020.pdf. So don't get discouraged.
I also looks for this question over the internet
 
danielhaish said:
so in case of ice melting in water because it would have more Nucleation points

Can water ice be superheated?
 
danielhaish said:
i think the question is weather ice can stay solid in temperature that higher then 0

Isn't that what superheating means?
 
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DrStupid said:
Isn't that what superheating means?
yes you are right , I didn't get it
 
DrStupid said:
Isn't that what superheating means?
yes it might but this is not the case I already got my answer because the temperature is getting high faster in water
 

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