What Happens to x^i as x Approaches 0 from the Positive Side?

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The discussion centers on the behavior of the function f(x) = x^i as x approaches 0 from the positive side. Participants explore the implications of this limit, particularly in the context of complex analysis and Euler's identity, while addressing the oscillatory nature of the function on the unit circle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of "2 i 0 to pi" and seeks clarification on its implications for the limit of x^i as x approaches 0.
  • Another participant rewrites x^i as e^{i ln x}, referencing Euler's identity to explain the behavior of the function as x tends to zero.
  • Some participants note that the limit does not exist, but that x^i remains constrained to the unit circle for all positive real x.
  • There is a discussion about how ln(x) approaches -∞, leading to oscillatory behavior in the complex plane, specifically through the functions cos(-∞) and sin(-∞).
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about whether their understanding of the limit's behavior is correct, while another asserts that the limit does not exist due to the oscillatory nature of the sine and cosine functions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the limit does not exist and that the function oscillates on the unit circle. However, there are differing interpretations of the implications of this behavior and the specific meanings of certain expressions.

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The discussion involves complex analysis concepts, and participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the mathematical relationships involved, particularly with respect to limits and oscillatory functions.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in complex analysis, particularly those exploring the behavior of complex functions and limits in mathematical contexts.

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Hi,

I'm having to teach myself math and I guess I'm skipping ahead here but am really interested. For f(x)=x^i, the limit from the positive side I see from WolframAlpha is e^(2 i 0 to pi). Can someone please explain what the "2 i 0 to pi" means? Is it 2 times i times the set 0 to pi? Or something like that? And why is it 0 to pi? As it spins around going to zero, wouldn't it 'touch' the y-imaginary axis at one particular point?

Just thinking aloud...any help would be much appreciated :)
 
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You can rewrite xi as

$$x^i = e^{i\ln x},$$
assuming x is real. Do you know Euler's identity?

$$e^{iy} = \cos y + i \sin y.$$

With these two pieces of information, can you see what happens as x tends to zero from above?
 
hddd123456789 said:
Can someone please explain what the "2 i 0 to pi" means?
The limit doesn't exist. However, for all positive real x, xi is constrained to lie on the unit circle. That is all you can say about the limit, and that is all that Mathematica is saying. e2i (0 to pi) might be better written as [itex]e^{i\theta}, 0\le\theta<2\pi[/itex].
 
hddd123456789 said:
Hi,

I'm having to teach myself math and I guess I'm skipping ahead here but am really interested. For f(x)=x^i, the limit from the positive side I see from WolframAlpha is e^(2 i 0 to pi). Can someone please explain what the "2 i 0 to pi" means? Is it 2 times i times the set 0 to pi? Or something like that? And why is it 0 to pi? As it spins around going to zero, wouldn't it 'touch' the y-imaginary axis at one particular point?

Just thinking aloud...any help would be much appreciated :)

"2 i (0 to pi)" means "oscillating on the range 0 to 2*i*pi".
The real part of x^i is oscillating on the range -1 to 1
The imaginary part of x^i is oscillating on the range -i to i
 
Mute said:
You can rewrite xi as

$$x^i = e^{i\ln x},$$
assuming x is real. Do you know Euler's identity?

$$e^{iy} = \cos y + i \sin y.$$

With these two pieces of information, can you see what happens as x tends to zero from above?

Yes! I had actually tried to change x^i into Euler's identity, but not only was I unable to do it at the time, I see now that it likely wouldn't have helped without the x^i = e^i*ln(x) relationship.

Basically ln(x) goes to -∞ and e^i(-∞)=cos(-∞) + i*sin(-∞), and Euler's identity only gives specific y-imaginary values for particular values of x. But since ∞ isn't a particular value of x, but an arbitrarily large value, you can't say anything specific about the limit except that it lies somewhere on the unit circle. Is that the right way to think about it?
 
hddd123456789 said:
Yes! I had actually tried to change x^i into Euler's identity, but not only was I unable to do it at the time, I see now that it likely wouldn't have helped without the x^i = e^i*ln(x) relationship.

Basically ln(x) goes to -∞ and e^i(-∞)=cos(-∞) + i*sin(-∞), and Euler's identity only gives specific y-imaginary values for particular values of x. But since ∞ isn't a particular value of x, but an arbitrarily large value, you can't say anything specific about the limit except that it lies somewhere on the unit circle. Is that the right way to think about it?

You can say something specific about the limit: it doesn't exist. The functions ##\sin x## and ##\cos x## have no limit as x approaches infinity, so this tells you that ##x^i## has no limiting value, its value just twirls around the unit circle in the complex plane faster and faster as x grows larger.
 

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