What Happens When Girls Drink Too Much?

[Astronuc]

her "honor" huh? As I said, we are not made of glass and our honor does not depend on our sexual life (which is what I think you were talking about). Such attitudes have led to cultural practices like honor killings. Now forcing a woman or any person to do what they do not want to do is a different matter. That takes away a person's autonomy and mental health.

Honor killings do not reflect the 'honor' of the woman, but rather the perceived 'honor' of the family. Honor killings have nothing to do with honor.

I know women are not made of glass. However, I would not take advantage of woman or any person who is intoxicated or has less than full control of their mental faculties.

What is wrong with women acting "wild?" You mean partying, enjoying their sexuality? Or is it just rude behavior like being obnoxious, because some people are just that way - men and women. Let them be who they are.

I suppose that depends on the meaning of "wild". I was 'wild' myself at one time. On the other hand, I was pretty reserved with women.

I have been criticised by some, including friends, for being too 'old fashioned'. So be it. My wife has been my one and only intimate partner, and we just celebrated our 24th anniversary, although we have been together just over 25 years. So, I've been out of the singles scene for a long time. My parents will observe 50 years of marriage this year, my paternal grandparents were married for over 50 years, and my maternal grandparents were married over 40 years. Both marriages of my grandparents ended with the death of my grandmothers.

 

[0TheSwerve0]

I honestly don't know why you're getting annoyed (so it seems) at astronuc's comment. It is absolutely correct. Whether he did or didn't mean it in the sense that you're getting all riled up about, I would think that somebody's honour does to a certain degree depend on their sexual life.

I don't care who you are (male or female), you will do things you wouldn't normally do when you are drunk. Therefore, if someone were to ensure that you didn't do these things and that no one took advantage of you then your integrity and honour would remain intact.

It isn't annoyance, it's caution. I just ask that people be aware of their mindset. And yes, male or female, it is good to look out for people...but that's not what he said. It was more of a protector role than a friend role he was taking on. Would you try to walk a male friend home to keep his "honor" intact? And what is honor? Why is it tied up with sexuality other than the fact that tradition has dictated it to be so? If I am sexually promiscuous, then do I have more/less honor? Do virgin's have more honor? Are you sure you are not talking about integrity?

 

[0TheSwerve0]

Honor killings do not reflect the 'honor' of the woman, but rather the perceived 'honor' of the family. Honor killings have nothing to do with honor.

I know women are not made of glass. However, I would not take advantage of woman or any person who is intoxicated or has less than full control of their mental faculties.

Is your definition of honor the real one? Aren't both the former definition and our traditional definition of woman's honor tied up with woman's sexual practices? Honor killings and our own cultural notion of woman's honor come from the same Abrahamic religion teachings. Amazingly, it both victimizes and blames the woman.

So, if I put the moves on a guy who was drunk, would I be taking advantage of him?

 

[Astronuc]

Is your definition of honor the real one? Aren't both the former definition and our traditional definition of woman's honor tied up with woman's sexual practices? Honor killings and our own cultural notion of woman's honor come from the same Abrahamic religion teachings. Amazingly, it both victimizes and blames the woman.

I have escorted male friends who were drunk in order to keep them from harming themselves, and I've prevented a few from getting into fights. And I would certainly escort a drunk woman to her place of residence, and I would most certainly not take advantage of her.

Perhaps I should have used a term different than honor. In the sense of honor killings, as I said, is has nothing to do with 'honor' of the woman, and in fact the act is dishonorable.

I disagree with the double standards regarding human sexuality.

So, if I put the moves on a guy who was drunk, would I be taking advantage of him?

Yes, of course you would, because someone who is drunk has impaired judgement.

 

[Gokul43201]

Yes, of course you would, because someone who is drunk has impaired judgement.

And did he have impaired judgement when he chose to get drunk ?

Can't disclaim responsibility for one's self on the grounds that one is drunk.

 

[Astronuc]

And did he have impaired judgement when he chose to get drunk ?

Yes! Anyone who willfully becomes intoxicated to the point of potentially harming themselves would seem to have 'imparied judgement', or not judgement at all.

Can't disclaim responsibility for one's self on the grounds that one is drunk.

True, although it would seem a lot of drunk driver's try to assert that in court.

One of my best friends used to get so drunk that he couldn't remember the next day what he did the evening before. On occasion, he would get belligerent, so I had to stay with him to keep him from hurting someone or hurting himself. It wasn't fun (I had to stop him from getting in fights now and then), but at least he survived those years. He's doing better, but still has problems.

I simply look out for my friends, and essentially anybody who happens to be in my physical proximity.

 

[Hootenanny]

One should not take advantage of someone of impared judgement; or is mentally or physically impared. Would you steal from a someone who is drunk?

~H