What-If: Massless, Charged Particle

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical existence of a massless, charged particle. Participants explore the implications of such a particle within the framework of the Standard Model of particle physics, considering both theoretical and experimental perspectives.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant clarifies that they are not proposing the existence of a massless charged particle but are interested in exploring the implications if such a particle were to exist.
  • Another participant notes that while the Standard Model describes elementary particles, it does not explicitly forbid the existence of a massless charged particle, but suggests that experimental evidence rules it out for electric charge.
  • A different viewpoint discusses the possibility of massless particles with charge under different gauge groups, citing gluons as an example of charged particles that are massless.
  • One participant elaborates on the relationship between mass, charge, and weak force interactions, suggesting that particles with weak force charge but no electromagnetic charge could exist, like neutrinos.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of a hypothetical sterile neutrino having non-integer electric charge, raising questions about confinement and the nature of fundamental particles.
  • The concept of the Coleman-Weinberg mechanism is mentioned as potentially relevant to the discussion, though its connection is not elaborated upon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the existence and implications of a massless charged particle, with no consensus reached. Some agree that experimental evidence currently does not support such a particle, while others explore theoretical possibilities without resolving the debate.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of charge and mass, as well as the unresolved nature of certain theoretical constructs discussed, such as the implications of weak force interactions on mass generation.

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Please note that I neither hypothesize the existence of such particle, nor know any evidence of it. This is purely a what-if scenario.

So, my questions are:
1)Is there any law or whatsoever that forbid the existence of a massless particle that possesses charge?
2)If such particle exist, how would it behave?
 
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jspear said:
1)Is there any law or whatsoever that forbid the existence of a massless particle that possesses charge?
Under standard model all elementary particles are massless isn't it ?It is the Higgs mechanism that explain the Mass "generation" for particule isn't it ?

Patrick
 
It depends what charge you are talking about. If its electric charge, then there isn't a law that forbids it perse, but we can rule it out on experimental grounds. You would expect decays that we simply don't see (the electron/muons etc would decay into these particles and have a very distinct signature that we would have observed).

If you mean charged under some other gauge group, like color, then of course we have an example of that in nature (gluons).
 
One of the notable coincidences of the Standard Model is that every particle with rest mass has a parity variant with weak force couplings to the W and Z bosons (i.e. the Standard Model fermions, the W boson, the Z boson and the Higgs boson), while every Standard Model particle that lacks rest mass does not have weak force couplings to the W and Z bosons (photons and gluons). Photons couple to W bosons, but only due to the W boson's electrical charge with no weak force contribution. Hypothetical massless gravitons, while they couple to the mass-energy of all particles do not have weak force interactions either.

Obviously, it is possible to have a particle that has weak force charge but not electromagnetic charge (we call them neutrinos).

In electro-weak unification, electric charge Q=weak isospin (T3) + Weak Hypercharge (Yw)/2. If a particle must have weak isospin (i.e. weak force couplings) equal to 0 in both right and left parities (or lack a left parity, as in the case of a hypothetical sterile neutrino) in order to lack mass then Q=Yw/2 for such a particle. The right handed version of the quarks and charged leptons have such quantum numbers, but all of them have a parity counterpart with weak isospin.

An electrically neutral sterile neutrino would have to have weak-hypercharge and weak isospin of zero. But, if a sterile neutrino has a zero weak isospin and a the same weak hypercharge as a "fertile" neutrino, then it would have electric charge = +/- 0.5, filling a gap in the progression of possible fundamental particle charges that currently has values of -1, -2/3, -1/3, 0, +1/3, + 2/3 and +1.

But, given that it also appears to be empirically the case that all fundamental particles with non-integer values of electric charge Q are confined into particles with integer electric charge (which in quarks is assured by confinement plus the requirement that particles have neutral color charge and hence must come in 3 color balanced baryons or color and anti-color balanced leptons), one would expect that any particle with an electric charge of +/- 0.5 would have to be confined in particles with either electric charge of +/- 1, or electric charge of 0 and bound by the exchange of a confining two-color gluon-type boson and that bosonic binding energy would give rise to mass. Also, one would expect that in either case, that the composite particle would be a boson since any combination of two fermion spins is an integer and any combination of two boson integer spins is an integer. So, even if one had a plausible fundamental particle with zero mass and an electric charge, it might only manifest as a massive particle.

Of course, the Standard Model already has massive bosons with charges of +/- 1 (W bosons) and zero (Z bosons). These do have an interaction W+ + W- => Z0 + Photon but the W+, W-, photon part of the interaction can be considered an electro-magnetic interaction. But, the W+, W- and Z vertex would seem to be a weak force self-interaction which a composite particle with zero weak force isospin should lack.

In the absence of experimentally motivating exceptions, of course, it is hard to know if either the weak force interaction is necessary for fundamental particle mass, or the Q is always observed in integer quantities rules are mere coincidences, or a genuine laws of nature.
 
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Coleman-Weinberg is related to this question, isn't it?
 

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