What is a concave function and how is it determined?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of concave functions, specifically examining the function $\sqrt{x}$ and how its concavity is determined. Participants explore definitions, properties, and methods of identifying concavity, including the relationship with second derivatives.

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  • One participant questions the meaning of $\sqrt{x}$ being a concave function.
  • Another participant explains that a concave function is defined as one where the line segment between any two points on the graph lies below the graph, suggesting that $\sqrt{x}$ is strictly concave.
  • A different participant asserts that a concave function can be identified by having a negative second derivative, providing the calculation for $f''(x)$ of $\sqrt{x}$, which is negative on the interval $(0,\infty)$.
  • Another participant agrees with the second derivative approach but clarifies that this is not the formal definition of a convex function, discussing the geometric interpretation of convexity and concavity in terms of sets.
  • A final participant expresses gratitude for the insights shared, particularly referencing the property mentioned by another participant as helpful for checking concavity.

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Participants present multiple viewpoints on the definition and identification of concave functions, with some agreement on the use of second derivatives, but no consensus on a singular definition or approach.

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There are nuances in the definitions of convex and concave functions that are discussed, including the relationship between geometric interpretations and calculus-based criteria. The discussion does not resolve these nuances.

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I was reading some where that $\sqrt{x}$ is concave function what does it mean.
 
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Re: meaing of concave function

kaliprasad said:
I was reading some where that $\sqrt{x}$ is concave function what does it mean.

Hi kaliprasad,

From wiki, a real-valued function defined on an interval is called convex (or convex downward or concave upward) if the line segment between any two points on the graph of the function lies above or on the graph.
A concave function is the negative of a convex function.

Since the line segment between any 2 points on the graph of $\sqrt x$ lies strictly below the graph, it is strictly concave.
 
Re: meaing of concave function

I had always thought of a concave function, or concave down, over some interval, as having a negative second derivative on that interval. If we have:

$$f(x)=\sqrt{x}$$

then we find:

$$f''(x)=-\frac{1}{4x^{\frac{3}{2}}}$$

Hence, we see that on the interval $(0,\infty)$ we have $f''<0$.
 
Re: meaing of concave function

MarkFL said:
I had always thought of a concave function, or concave down, over some interval, as having a negative second derivative on that interval. If we have:

$$f(x)=\sqrt{x}$$

then we find:

$$f''(x)=-\frac{1}{4x^{\frac{3}{2}}}$$

Hence, we see that on the interval $(0,\infty)$ we have $f''<0$.
That is, of course true, and often the easiest way to use "convex function", but is not the definition of "convex function". A set is "convex" if and only if, given any two points, A and B, in that set the line segment between A and B is also in the set. A function, f, is said to be "convex" ("convex upward" is typically implied by "convex" alone) if and only if the set of all points above the graph of y= f(x) is a convex set. The function is "convex downward" if the set of all points below the graph of y= f(x) is a convex set.
 
Thanks to all of you for the same. The property mentioned by MARKFL helps in chcking if the function is concave
 

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