What is a discrete-space derivative?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a discrete-space derivative, particularly in relation to the factorial function and its connection to the gamma function. Participants are exploring how derivatives can be defined in discrete settings, contrasting them with traditional continuous derivatives.

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  • The original poster seeks a clear explanation of discrete-space derivatives suitable for a calculus 2 level. Some participants provide definitions and relate the concept to the gamma function, while others express confusion regarding the topic.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about the gamma function and its relationship to factorials. There is a recognition that understanding the discrete-space derivative may depend on the specific context of the problem, and some guidance has been offered regarding the formulation of derivatives in discrete settings.

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Some participants note that the understanding of the gamma function may be challenging for those at an early stage in their mathematical studies. The original poster's request for clarification indicates a potential gap in foundational knowledge regarding derivatives in discrete contexts.

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I was looking up how to find the derivative of a factorial and found this thread:
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=1328

What is a discrete-space derivative? I tried looking it up, but had no luck. If someone could explain it in a way someone in calc 2 could understand that would be great, or at least point me in the direction of more information.
 
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A discrete space is a space where all subsets are open. I have never heard of a discrete space derivative, however.

Have you heard of the gamma function? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_function
Take a look at how it relates to the factorial function. It does take a lot of work to understand if you're only at the first year level in math.
 
I was looking at the Gamma Function. I understood it a little bit, but in general it was way over my head.
 
WhiteRae said:
What is a discrete-space derivative? I tried looking it up, but had no luck. If someone could explain it in a way someone in calc 2 could understand that would be great, or at least point me in the direction of more information.

The general idea is that the more familiar continuous space derivative,

\frac{df}{dx}=\lim_{\Delta x\to 0}\frac{f(x+\Delta x)-f(x)}{\Delta x}

Can be generalized in cases where the smallest possible difference between two different values of a discrete variable x is a constant (in other words, all elements of the set are equally spaced) \delta x according to the equation

\frac{df}{dx}=\frac{f(x+\delta x)-f(x)}{\delta x}

(For a continuous space, \delta x is infinitesimally small)

If x is only allowed to be a natural number, then the smallest diffence between two different values of x is 1, and so

\frac{df}{dx}=f(x+1)-f(x)

Whether or not this is really the type of derivative you are interested in depends on the context of your problem.
 

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