What Is a Faraday Cage and How Does It Protect Against Lightning?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a Faraday cage and its protective properties against lightning strikes, particularly in the context of a car. Participants explore the implications of electric potential, charge distribution, and the application of relevant physical laws such as Gauss's Law and Kirchhoff's Voltage Law.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the driver inside a car, which acts as a Faraday cage, is safe from lightning due to the cancellation of charges and a net electric field of zero.
  • Another participant argues that while the potential difference between the ground and the lightning strike is high, the current prefers to travel through the car's frame rather than through the passenger compartment.
  • A participant references Kirchhoff's Voltage Law to explain the behavior of voltage around a closed circuit.
  • Another participant emphasizes Gauss's Law, stating that the potential inside the car should be zero due to the absence of charge inside the Gaussian surface formed by the car's frame.
  • One participant challenges the idea that the potential inside the car is zero, arguing that if the lightning bolt has a high potential, then the potential inside the car must also be high.
  • Another participant supports the idea that the electric field inside a closed conductor is zero, referencing a concept from a physics lecture on electric potential inside a spherical conductor.
  • A later reply acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the distinction between charge and potential in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between electric potential and safety inside a car during a lightning strike. There is no consensus on whether the potential inside the car is zero or equal to that of the lightning strike.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various physical laws and concepts, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of electric potential and charge distribution in the context of a Faraday cage.

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Hoi!

I was wondering about the Faraday cage. When lightning strikes a car, the driver is not hurt since he/she is sitting in a Faraday cage. The charges cancel out and the net E field in the car is zero, though the potential inside the car should reach whatever is on the outside, meaning maybe hundreds of thousands of volts, which should kill the driver when eg. he grabs one door handle with one hand and the other handle with the other hand (potential difference)?.

Maybe I answered my question here, there is no potential difference, since it is all constant voltage?

Thanks,
Uku
 
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The charges cancel out and the net E field in the car is zero,

What do you mean? The potential between the ground/care and the incoming stroke of lightning is very very high, otherwise the lightning wouldn't be able to form. However, the current initially flows through a small area through the air that has been ionized. Once the current gets do your car, it now has a much easier path to travel and doesn't need ionized air to conduct it. The inside of your car is generally not completely bare metal, so the current would much rather travel around the frame and body than through the compartment and the passenger.

I believe that the current and voltage of your car is about equal through the entire body/frame, similar to how parallel circuits split their current and have the same voltage. If so, then there shouldn't be a potential difference between door handles.
 
So it is Kirchoffs voltage law - "the directed sum of the electrical potential differences (voltage) around any closed circuit is zero." I guess.
 
Gauss bro, s'all about Gauss's Law.
 
With gauss you come to the conculsion that

V_{inside}=\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_{0}R}

I find that that does not explain why you don't get electrocuted in the car. Though thinking of the car as a closed circuit does.
 
Kirchoff may also be a way to do this, but I found that Gauss was easier to understand. The key is Q inside, think of the lighting bolt as a ton of excess electrons. When it strikes the car, all of the excess electrons remain on the outside of the car. Then applying Gauss's law, since Qinside = 0 ==> Vinside = 0.
 
It does not work like that. Think of how potential is defined, via doing work on a charge to home it in from infinity. If the potential of a lightning bolt is 100000V, then by Gauss, the V_{inside} is 100000V.
 
I'm sorry but I disagree. Treat the metal frame of the car as a Gaussian surface, a simpler example is the potential in a hollow conducting sphere. If you look at this example:

3.2.3 Electric Potential Inside a Spherical Thin Shell Conductor, from

http://www.physics.upenn.edu/courses/gladney/phys151/lectures/lecture_jan_31_2003.shtml

it's the same concept. But here is the short version:

"Inside the sphere [or car frame in our case], the electric field is zero since any Gaussian surface we draw which is completely contained inside the sphere would contain no net charge."

Hope this helps.
 
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whoops, you are right. That's my bad.
 

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