How does a Faraday cage protect against lightning strikes?

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The discussion centers on the protective properties of a Faraday cage against lightning strikes, exploring the underlying physics, particularly in relation to electrostatic equilibrium and the behavior of electric fields during such events. Participants examine theoretical aspects, practical implications, and the nuances of different conductor types.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants discuss the concept of electrostatic equilibrium and question whether a Faraday cage remains in this state during a lightning strike, suggesting that the redistribution of charges could pose a risk to individuals inside.
  • Others reference Gauss's Law to argue that the electric field inside the cage should remain zero, even when external charges are applied, although the implications of this during a lightning strike are debated.
  • One participant notes the difference between lightning as an electrostatic discharge and electromagnetic radiation, indicating that the mechanisms of charge redistribution differ between these phenomena.
  • There is a mention of the finite conductivity of materials like copper and the associated relaxation time for charge redistribution, which could affect the time it takes to reach electrostatic equilibrium.
  • Some participants propose distinguishing between an ideal conductor and real metals, suggesting that the type of material affects the voltage difference experienced inside the cage during a lightning strike.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a Faraday cage can provide complete protection during a lightning strike, with some asserting that the internal electric field remains zero while others raise concerns about the transient state during charge redistribution. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the ideal versus real conductors, the specific conditions during a lightning strike, and the time constants involved in charge redistribution, which are not fully explored or agreed upon.

kaotak
I've looked this up extensively on the web but nothing seems to answer this question satisfactorily. For example, here's Wikipedia's answer.

A Faraday cage is best understood as an approximation to an ideal hollow conductor. Externally applied electric fields produce forces on the charge carriers (usually electrons) within the conductor, generating a current that rearranges the charges. Once the charges have rearranged so as to cancel the applied field inside, the current stops.

The cage will block external electrical fields even if the cage contains some charges and an electric field in its interior. This is a consequence of the superposition principle and the fact that the Maxwell equations are linear.

I try thinking of it considering the properties of a conductor in electrostatic equilibrium. The charge on a conductor in equilibrium resides on the surface and the electric field is zero inside. Okay...

But once lightning hits a metal cage with a person inside, isn't the cage momentarily NOT in electrostatic equilibrium? Isn't the cage not in electrostatic equilibrium until the charges are done redistributing themselves, and in this period of time, won't the person inside be fried?
 
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kaotak said:
I've looked this up extensively on the web but nothing seems to answer this question satisfactorily.

I try thinking of it considering the properties of a conductor in electrostatic equilibrium. The charge on a conductor in equilibrium resides on the surface and the electric field is zero inside. Okay...

But once lightning hits a metal cage with a person inside, isn't the cage momentarily NOT in electrostatic equilibrium? Isn't the cage not in electrostatic equilibrium until the charges are done redistributing themselves, and in this period of time, won't the person inside be fried?

i think you need to think about Gauss's Law and what the component parallel to the cage shell of any E field is.
 
rbj said:
i think you need to think about Gauss's Law and what the component parallel to the cage shell of any E field is.

Those are words that make no sense to me. I know Gauss's Law, but what does it have to do with lightning striking a cage and the person inside not being hurt?
 
kaotak said:
But once lightning hits a metal cage with a person inside, isn't the cage momentarily NOT in electrostatic equilibrium? Isn't the cage not in electrostatic equilibrium until the charges are done redistributing themselves, and in this period of time, won't the person inside be fried?

This is true, but lightning is a very different phenomenon than electromagnetic radiation. Lightning is an electrostatic discharge, and it will deposit a charge on a conductor, resulting in an electric current. EM radiation requires an electric field to pass through the conductor, which will quickly rearrange its charges to cancel out the field.
 
So why doesn't the lightning hurt the person inside?
 
Why does lightning even hurt people? Why does it kill people?
 
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kaotak said:
Those are words that make no sense to me. I know Gauss's Law, but what does it have to do with lightning striking a cage and the person inside not being hurt?

it has something to do with the fact that there can't be any electric fields inside the cage. whether or not there is a nasty E-field just outside of the cage.
 
When the lightning strikes the metal cage, why isn't there an electric field on the inside? The cage isn't in electrostatic equilibrium anymore, it just got some charge added to it and caused a current to flow.
 
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kaotak said:
But once lightning hits a metal cage with a person inside, isn't the cage momentarily NOT in electrostatic equilibrium? Isn't the cage not in electrostatic equilibrium until the charges are done redistributing themselves, and in this period of time, won't the person inside be fried?

This is correct, but the deviation from equilibrium comes about from the finite conductivity of the cage. There is a relaxation time associated to a conductor (rho/epsilon) which is the time constant which governs the redistribution of charge in a conductor which is not in electrostatic equilibrium. For copper, it is of the order of 10^(-19) seconds, which means that electrostatic equilibrium is re-established on that timescale (see for instance section 4.3.5 in Lorrain, Corson and Lorrain).
 
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Maybe it would be appropriate if we decide if we are talking about a Faraday cage made of ideal conductor (zero resistivity) or of real metal like copper.
The thunderbolt implies a large current. If the cage where made of perfect conductor, there will be no difference of potential between the hit point and the exit point. If the cage if made of normal metal there will be an difference of voltage due to the current going through the metal resistance. This voltage difference will be measurable from the inside of the cage. Will it be big or not depends on the current and the resistance of the metal.
 

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