What is an approximate amplitude of a phonon?

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The discussion revolves around the approximate amplitude of phonons, particularly in the context of lattice vibrations at room temperature. Participants explore the relationship between phonon occupancy, energy, and the amplitude of elastic waves in solids, as well as the implications of temperature on these properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the amplitude of lattice vibrations depends on temperature and seeks to determine its order of magnitude at room temperature.
  • Another participant suggests that the energy stored in an incident planar longitudinal elastic wave can be equated to the heat capacity of the solid to find the amplitude.
  • A different participant mentions that at room temperature, the energy per degree of freedom is given by ##\frac 1 2 k_B T##, which is relevant for understanding phonon behavior.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between degrees of freedom and modes/states, questioning if they are equivalent in the context of their equations.
  • Another participant explains that the total energy of vibrating atoms consists of kinetic and potential energy, each contributing to degrees of freedom, and relates this to the Einstein model of phonons.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the concepts of energy per degree of freedom and the relationship between kinetic and potential energy in phonons. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the definitions of degrees of freedom and modes, as well as the specific calculations related to amplitude.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the energy equations and the dependence on definitions of degrees of freedom and modes. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the exact amplitude of phonons.

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I am aware that phonons are lattice vibrations - and that the amplitude of vibration would depend on the temperature. But say, at room temperature what would the order of magnitude of these lattice vibrations be ?

In particular, in continuum limit these phonons can be treated as elastic waves. So if I have take an incident planar longitudinal elastic wave at a surface, what would I need to take the amplitude of this wave to be ?

I do think that if I equate the energy stored in this wave integrated over all incident angles and frequencies to the heat capacity of the solid - I should be able to find the amplitude of this wave. Is this correct ?

Thanks!
 
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I think I figured it out. Each mode will be populated by a number of phonons equal to the phonon occupancy number, each with energy h v, and the energy of each mode can be related to the amplitude of the lattice vibration.
 
I'm glad that you answered your own question. However, this might help:
Room temperature is well above Debye's temperature for most solids. The energy per degree of freedom is then ##\frac 1 2 k_B T ##
 
Thanks for the note. I always get confused - what is the relation between a degree of freedom and a mode/state? Are they the same?

For example, in my case, I have (1/2 rho omega^2 Amplitude^2) = n * hbar omega

The left hand side is the energy contained in the elastic wave; and the right hand side is the energy contained by the total number of phonons occupying the state ('n' is occupation number for the frequency omega).

So in terms of degrees of freedom you mentioned, is it just that (1/2 rho omega^2 Amplitude^2) = 1/2 k_B T ?

Thanks
 
Total energy of vibrating atoms is kinetic and potential. Kinetic is a function of momentum that has 3 components - 3 degrees of freedom. Potential is a function of displacement, again in 3 dimensions - 3 degrees of freedom. Total is 6 degrees of freedom. So, in a simple, Einstein model ## \frac 1 2 \kappa x^2 = \frac 1 2 k_B T## where ##\kappa ## is the 'spring' constant.
 

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