What is negative frequency(fourier transform)

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The discussion centers on the concept of negative frequencies in Fourier transforms, emphasizing their role as mathematical tools rather than physical realities. Negative frequencies arise from the simplification of Fourier transforms, particularly through Euler's identity, which allows the representation of signals in terms of complex exponentials. While negative frequencies do not have a direct physical interpretation, they are essential in describing modulation, where they represent pairs of real modulation signals. The conclusion is that both positive and negative frequencies contribute to the total power of a signal, but only the positive frequencies correspond to physical reality.

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in Fourier transforms of normal baseband sigal , spectral components are replicated on both +ve and -ve sides of frequency axis.

i know that both -ve and +ve frequency components contribute to the total power of the signal

but i don't know the physical significance of the -ve frequencies used?

are these -ve frequencies just the mathematical imaginary tool ?
 
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There is no physical reality of the negative frequency. It is, as you say, a mathmatical tool.

However, the negative frequencies only emerge because we wish to simplify the Fourier transform.

It is perfectly possible to have a Fourier Transform without any imaginary and negative components.

If you look into Fourier Series (from which Fourier Transforms are developed), you will see that it can be represented as

f(t) = a_{0} + \sum_{n}a_{n} cos(n\omega t + \theta_{n}) + \sum_{m}b_{m} sin(m\omega t + \theta_{m})

It is only because we wish to simplify this that we make use of eulers identity that

e±iθ = cos(θ) ± i sin(θ)

When substituting this you will get "negative frequencies" when deriving all the formulas.
 
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There is no physical reality of the negative frequency. It is, as you say, a mathmatical tool.

Perhaps it would be more precise to say that there is no physical reality of complex frequencies in general, and that any real signals consist of a sum of positive and negative complex frequencies:


cos(ωt) = \frac{e^{+jωt} + e^{-jωt}}{2}

On the other hand there is a physical reality to complex frequencies when we use them to describe modulation.

Specifically, they represent a *pair* of real modulation signals.

There are two independent degrees of freedom when modulating a sinusoid; phase/amplitude in polar coordinates, I/Q in rectangular coordinates. We can incorporate both of these independent signals into our single complex frequency expression.

In other words just as complex numbers can represent a pair of real numbers on an Argand diagram, complex frequencies can represent a pair of orthogonal modulation components of a real sinusoid.
 
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Most likely this can only be answered by an "old timer". I am making measurements on an uA709 op amp (metal can). I would like to calculate the frequency rolloff curves (I can measure them). I assume the compensation is via the miller effect. To do the calculations I would need to know the gain of the transistors and the effective resistance seen at the compensation terminals, not including the values I put there. Anyone know those values?

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