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shrumeo
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Nothing
you know, this drunken meandering means nothing...
you know, this drunken meandering means nothing...
What is Nothing vs Absolutely Nothing?
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Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the concepts of "nothing" and "absolutely nothing," exploring their definitions and implications in both philosophical and scientific contexts. Participants examine the distinctions between these terms, the nature of existence, and the relationship between matter and the absence of matter.
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- Conceptual clarification
- Debate/contested
- Mathematical reasoning
- Experimental/applied
Main Points Raised
- Some participants argue that "nothing" is simply the absence of anything, equating it to the empty set, while others suggest that "absolutely nothing" may imply a deeper absence that is not merely the absence of existence.
- A participant proposes that the distinction between "nothing" and "absolutely nothing" might be negligible, suggesting that both terms ultimately refer to a lack of existence.
- Another viewpoint posits that even the absence of everything is not necessarily "absolutely" nothing, introducing the idea that "prior to anything" differs from "in relationship to anything."
- Some participants contend that "no-thing" exists because it contains "implication," while "absolutely nothing" is described as a different concept altogether.
- There are discussions about the implications of nothingness in relation to physics, including the nature of the vacuum state and the concept of zero, with references to ongoing debates among physicists and mathematicians.
- One participant reflects on the idea that empty space is still something, questioning whether nothing can truly exist without the concept of space.
- Another participant suggests that both everything and nothing are two sides of the same coin, indicating a philosophical perspective on existence and non-existence.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express a range of views on the definitions and implications of "nothing" and "absolutely nothing," with no clear consensus reached. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.
Contextual Notes
Some arguments rely on specific philosophical interpretations and definitions of terms, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion also touches on complex scientific concepts that are not fully resolved, such as the nature of the vacuum state and the implications of the Big Bang.
Who May Find This Useful
This discussion may be of interest to those exploring philosophical questions about existence, as well as individuals engaged in theoretical physics or cosmology, particularly regarding the nature of nothingness and its implications in scientific theories.
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n0n
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your absolutely right. I came across these documents on-line, its for a class or something like that but pretty much, I just looked at the universalness of what is being said. It works so why not this:
http://www.tcw.utwente.nl/theorieenoverzicht/micro/Uncertainty%20Reduction%20Theory.doc/
http://tip.psychology.org/hull.html
http://www.fluidairinc.com/Products_files/Size_Reduction_Files/sr_theory.htm
inf. n=1->
N = inf. distance & inf. closeness
0 = inf. # of N note: inf. means any number
N = (0*10^n) (0/10^n) note: 0 represents a # of N
nothing = N0N
something = N0N/N0N and the reduction to the least common denominator and nothing
time = the continual providance of such an act/ repetition of the reduction in ever changing complexity to order (fractals)
maybe ? I don't know. <- and that is nothing, that is why intellegance is something. For one concept is the whole of nothing and something is the whole of all consepts. haha looks like I killed another forum, I seem to be pretty good at that, must be doing something right cause no one wants to really argue it? Or maybe its just too lucid?
http://www.tcw.utwente.nl/theorieenoverzicht/micro/Uncertainty%20Reduction%20Theory.doc/
http://tip.psychology.org/hull.html
http://www.fluidairinc.com/Products_files/Size_Reduction_Files/sr_theory.htm
inf. n=1->
N = inf. distance & inf. closeness
0 = inf. # of N note: inf. means any number
N = (0*10^n) (0/10^n) note: 0 represents a # of N
nothing = N0N
something = N0N/N0N and the reduction to the least common denominator and nothing
time = the continual providance of such an act/ repetition of the reduction in ever changing complexity to order (fractals)
maybe ? I don't know. <- and that is nothing, that is why intellegance is something. For one concept is the whole of nothing and something is the whole of all consepts. haha looks like I killed another forum, I seem to be pretty good at that, must be doing something right cause no one wants to really argue it? Or maybe its just too lucid?
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- #303
Rahmuss
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Nothing is what most discussions are about.
Absolutely nothing is what this discussion is about.
I couldn't resist.
Absolutely nothing is what this discussion is about.
I couldn't resist. - #304
Doctordick
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What you miss is a very important issue. There exists only one thing which can produce knowledge from nothing. That is the comprehension of symmetry. Symmetry is essentially a statement that some piece of knowledge is unavailable: spherical symmetry is a statement that no information exists which can differentiate between directions. That constraint imposes some very fundamental relationships which must be true. If you want to understand the issue, ask me. I will do my best to explain it to you.
Have fun -- Dick
Have fun -- Dick
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n0n
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wow, Can you not see the symmetry involved in such a consept? Its the only place in mathmatics, that has the ability to create something like matter. We have super computers trying to figure out how large pi is and that's nothing, this could explain the universe and no one wants to look other then me. now why is that?
The concept is so simple and insignificat how could it be such a thing, I don't know, maybe it has to do with going from simple to complex in some weird "mathmatical truth" fractal. Which is what this concept creates eventually, in the early stage the outcome is infinitly complex, but I have taken single divisional numbers and they create squares, inverted squares ( four smaller squares, 1 of each attached to the courner of a larger center square, well that's what it looks like, not how its drawn), and lines. The only thing I changed when I observed such things were what A equals, and what B equals, in a division of (A/B=C).
here's a pretty good visuall of what I'm trying to get across. Take a seed from a tree, say it was on the ground, now if their is the right amounts of sun, water, dirt, and even right time of the year, that tree would grow. now their are seriouse odds against the seeds because what that seed gets seems to be pretty random and lots of seeds means a greater chance of survival, or continue some process it cannot help but to continue.
another adventure, take the whole of nothing, and imagine that symmetrical sphere of nothing (you being outside of it), now if you see the whole of the sphere as an opposed reaction to something (doesnt matter what it is jus that something is) it becomes infinitely small. now say this is an accelleration at ininity ( I use this because mathematics is infinite), and the universe is so infinite that their is another point of opposed reaction to something, what would that create if they collided? N0N is just another concept of becoming infinitly small. and 0 is the random process of creathing something, it don't matter what its is, just as long as it is.
If their is no symmetry within this then I haven't a clue what you mean, and please explain it.
The concept is so simple and insignificat how could it be such a thing, I don't know, maybe it has to do with going from simple to complex in some weird "mathmatical truth" fractal. Which is what this concept creates eventually, in the early stage the outcome is infinitly complex, but I have taken single divisional numbers and they create squares, inverted squares ( four smaller squares, 1 of each attached to the courner of a larger center square, well that's what it looks like, not how its drawn), and lines. The only thing I changed when I observed such things were what A equals, and what B equals, in a division of (A/B=C).
here's a pretty good visuall of what I'm trying to get across. Take a seed from a tree, say it was on the ground, now if their is the right amounts of sun, water, dirt, and even right time of the year, that tree would grow. now their are seriouse odds against the seeds because what that seed gets seems to be pretty random and lots of seeds means a greater chance of survival, or continue some process it cannot help but to continue.
another adventure, take the whole of nothing, and imagine that symmetrical sphere of nothing (you being outside of it), now if you see the whole of the sphere as an opposed reaction to something (doesnt matter what it is jus that something is) it becomes infinitely small. now say this is an accelleration at ininity ( I use this because mathematics is infinite), and the universe is so infinite that their is another point of opposed reaction to something, what would that create if they collided? N0N is just another concept of becoming infinitly small. and 0 is the random process of creathing something, it don't matter what its is, just as long as it is.
If their is no symmetry within this then I haven't a clue what you mean, and please explain it.
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Messiah
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Symmetry = for every value there is an opposite equivalent
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bettysfetish
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I love this topic However it's quite problematic 
The closest you'll get to "nothing" would be the eternal moment that was just before the creation of the energys that E=mc2'd into matter.
On one other point I read about 18 pages back; If a Big Bang explodes in the place with no time and no one is there to see or hear it, - - Did it happen?
I'd bet the entire exsistance of the universe on it.
What do you suppose happens to this medium of virtual activity? "Nothing" (there's that darn word again) needs to be displaced. This place might, or should, be goverened by virtual forces that would be opposite ours; this place being of matter and "that" place being of "no matter, or "nothing." It seems the two states of being should be "mutually attractive."
These two events would easily add to an expotential expansion rate. But at this point we're discussing matter again. It seems nothing has to move out of the way yet what isn't there might be attractive to the matter being converted.
It should still be there surrounding us, and the deeper we look into space the sooner we will see only the nothing that exsisted before there was matter. That very void may still be excerting an underterminable pull on the matter in the intire universe contributing to our accelerated expansion. "Could solve this "dark matter" quandry we seem to be in." Mabey there's no repulsive forces between particles; perhaps an external gravity or anti-gravity, if you will.
Oh Well - - -
----"After all is said and done, Gravity Rules."-----
I love this topic
However it's quite problematic The closest you'll get to "nothing" would be the eternal moment that was just before the creation of the energys that E=mc2'd into matter.
On one other point I read about 18 pages back; If a Big Bang explodes in the place with no time and no one is there to see or hear it, - - Did it happen?
I'd bet the entire exsistance of the universe on it.
What do you suppose happens to this medium of virtual activity? "Nothing" (there's that darn word again) needs to be displaced. This place might, or should, be goverened by virtual forces that would be opposite ours; this place being of matter and "that" place being of "no matter, or "nothing." It seems the two states of being should be "mutually attractive."
These two events would easily add to an expotential expansion rate. But at this point we're discussing matter again. It seems nothing has to move out of the way yet what isn't there might be attractive to the matter being converted.
It should still be there surrounding us, and the deeper we look into space the sooner we will see only the nothing that exsisted before there was matter. That very void may still be excerting an underterminable pull on the matter in the intire universe contributing to our accelerated expansion. "Could solve this "dark matter" quandry we seem to be in." Mabey there's no repulsive forces between particles; perhaps an external gravity or anti-gravity, if you will.
Oh Well - - -
----"After all is said and done, Gravity Rules."-----
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connect
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Science is the arbitary division of the whole to study the wonder of its movement...nothing only ever appears before or after something.
Once nothing is understood, it is still nothing.
Once something is understood, it is always something.
Once nothing is understood, it is still nothing.
Once something is understood, it is always something.
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PhalanxGun
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Replies, Blah, Blah, Blah :)
Being that I'm not 5-dimensional-at least to the point of interacting with all 5 dimensions :)- I cannot fathom "nothing-ness". How can you people even conceptualize the actual "nothing". For me, nothing implies an endless region with nothing in it; and since there is nothing there how would we know it exists? :)
-Just Your Regular Neighborhood Computer Programmer/Wierdo
-PhalanxGun
(U.S. 20mm Phalanx CIWS (Close In Weapon System) Vulcan Cannon)
:)
Being that I'm not 5-dimensional-at least to the point of interacting with all 5 dimensions :)- I cannot fathom "nothing-ness". How can you people even conceptualize the actual "nothing". For me, nothing implies an endless region with nothing in it; and since there is nothing there how would we know it exists? :)
-Just Your Regular Neighborhood Computer Programmer/Wierdo
-PhalanxGun
(U.S. 20mm Phalanx CIWS (Close In Weapon System) Vulcan Cannon)
:)
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RAD4921
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UltraPi1
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I consider the universe to be the concepualization of nothing. In short - We are the reality of non-existence. There are no physical realities - Only conceptual ones. In our universe there are only ones - One at a time, where time is the nothing that ones are composed of.
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n0n
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toe, or Theory of Everything, is a blend of all things conceptual, and what are all things conceptual? nothing/something, and they must blend, and blend they will, who deside's this, the multiple minds in the society of science. only one can blend them, for their is only one way to blend them (still as of yet to be found). only 1 can define 0 for within a 1 is the ability to be both 0 and 1 and so is a choice or a process of equalization (you cannot have 1 dimension without 2 infinitely small points as infinite in distance).
hence logic becomes physical reality, morality lays physically as a process that cannot be helped due to some misinterpretation in reduction to realization. "yes, I agree", "no, I disagree" when really any answer may also exist "correct" in null (how can nothing choose yes or no, unless you give a shifted statement/question like," if you want to go then you come with us now, if not were leaving" nothing cannot go and so the shifted statement would be you stay).
UltraPi1 , that's a good way to look at it, time is 0 and whatever is involved in time is 1. brings up the question of, does the moment right before I typed this still existing, or is it 0. I say it still exist as a scar to some shape of a fractal.
what i don't get is why hasn't science looked at the mind as a form of black hole? I wonder about it all the time, it makes a lot of sense, just absorbing everything (well light any ways, energy too, but information just gets sucked in, like a substance created black hole taking all logic in and releasing that single geyser of light or consciousness.
see, someone could say here it is, the answer to the universe as some huge equation, And i would pick up every book I could just to teach my self to understand it. but as that has yet to happen. I will still think its going to be the most obvious answer, why? cause if it seems just blunt and to the point isn't it usually correct?
hence logic becomes physical reality, morality lays physically as a process that cannot be helped due to some misinterpretation in reduction to realization. "yes, I agree", "no, I disagree" when really any answer may also exist "correct" in null (how can nothing choose yes or no, unless you give a shifted statement/question like," if you want to go then you come with us now, if not were leaving" nothing cannot go and so the shifted statement would be you stay).
UltraPi1 , that's a good way to look at it, time is 0 and whatever is involved in time is 1. brings up the question of, does the moment right before I typed this still existing, or is it 0. I say it still exist as a scar to some shape of a fractal.
what i don't get is why hasn't science looked at the mind as a form of black hole? I wonder about it all the time, it makes a lot of sense, just absorbing everything (well light any ways, energy too, but information just gets sucked in, like a substance created black hole taking all logic in and releasing that single geyser of light or consciousness.
see, someone could say here it is, the answer to the universe as some huge equation, And i would pick up every book I could just to teach my self to understand it. but as that has yet to happen. I will still think its going to be the most obvious answer, why? cause if it seems just blunt and to the point isn't it usually correct?
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connect
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1's and 0's, 0's and 1's.
I believe its like 'feet' that are 'walking' down the street.
Look to the left, look to right.
We are really in a plight that is stalling our flight.
The mind - an absolute point by which all relative measurements are taken.
How does it work...tick, tock, tick, tock...where does time come from...tick, tock, tick, tock.
My heart 'beats' and blood runs 'through' my viens.
Do people want 'knowledge' or 'understanding'?
I believe its like 'feet' that are 'walking' down the street.
Look to the left, look to right.
We are really in a plight that is stalling our flight.
The mind - an absolute point by which all relative measurements are taken.
How does it work...tick, tock, tick, tock...where does time come from...tick, tock, tick, tock.
My heart 'beats' and blood runs 'through' my viens.
Do people want 'knowledge' or 'understanding'?
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UltraPi1
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I would say it is the concept of nothing that still exist. Any closer examination of this fundamental concept will yield nothing. I.E Examination beyond ONE nothing will leave you conceptually bankrupt. The universe is a conceptual geometric construct of nothing, and we can expect an infinity of these geometric entities to be possible.
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bettysfetish
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Well, we'll never "really" know the answer here; perhaps in a few generations. PhalanxGun - - it seems you've answered your own question a while back. You questioned how we could possibly invision "nothing", "It's like such & such - - -..." Well, you've done it. It's an intirely conceptual thing.And to all;
Using numbers to try and pin this down will not work, "Unless" we can come up with some "Conceptual Numbers" to use. One must remember to never include anything that is, or is made of, particles when trying to invision this place.
We can all agree that all matter came from one singular, infinitly small point. And before that is infered speculation, conjecture and theoretical conceptualization. The infinity problems?; I don't have that problem anymore, not since giving String Theory a chance. I see there are some of you that frown upon, or have not accepted it for one reason or another, some alternitive theorys. This is certainly not the T.O.E., but we must keep building a foundation for it. Unless some one has found something completely absurd or intirely unfounded by current theories in some new theory then it should at least be investigated.
"Nothing was there" and "nothing" is an unstable system. "Any" quantum fluxuation would have tipped the balance our way.
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pelastration
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In Pascal's triangle all starts for one.bettysfetish said:
Catalan numbers give all possible combinations (of also geometric 'shapes').
Conceptual Numbers? Maybe take a look at http://www.mu6.com/numbers.html. It all starts from one. That one is the total set, and by dynamic restructuring it creates sub-sets. That's conceptual. Since one stays one the math is surely correct.
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n0n
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here is the answer, what is nothing, nothing is chaos, what does all of pi explain?, an unperfect circle for it cannot reach a whole. what is nothing to stop logic? nothing blocks pi from reaching a whole, a limit to something is nothing, and it can be as forcefull as the logic itself. Thats what I'm getting at.
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Fallout
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ok, i appologise for any nievity caus I am only 18 and not massively smart, but this is a subject I've thought about too. unless I've completely missed the point, the answer seems quite simple to me. if you really do have "nothing" as in the absence of everything, then you must by definition have the absence of time, as well as everything else of course. the absence of time means that there are no rules, therefore any activity can occur. this means at one instance, you will have nothing, and yet at the same instance everything. this i found is a hard concept for people to bend their heads arround, and quite hard to describe in a way that makes sense, simply because it doesn't - we can't really comprehend "no time" because of the way we are. the only way i can describe it is to imagine not a time period, but a time point - a single value of time. now, imagine that every event happens at that very point, because of there being no rules (bearing in mind that this is occurring because of absence of time, and so could never actuly happen at a time-point) this includes the event that there is nothing, everything, and every possible value inbetween, all at the same point in time (which again i point out is only a way of thinking of it, as there would be no time)
if this makes sense to ne1, does it help answer the question or do i need to try to explain more?
if this makes sense to ne1, does it help answer the question or do i need to try to explain more?
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Fallout
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may i also add the fact that humans share one very important attribute with the universe. Bill Clinton summed it up recently by saying - "..I did it because I could.." and that's exactly how the universe behaves - it does things because it can. that's y we exist - because we can. In the beginning, there were no rules so the universe could do what it liked, so it did, and here we are.
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UltraPi1
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I would disagree here - Rather ...Thats all you would have is time. There just wouldn't be a tic or tock to time.
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bozo the clown
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What is nothing ?
nothing is what lies between Jessica Simpson's ears
nothing is what lies between Jessica Simpson's ears
- #322
pelastration
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Ever considered that this may be a local parameter following from local conditions? A relative factor.socratus said:
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force5
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fundamental answer.
nothing = force
nothing = force
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connect
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distance from me to nothing = 0 meters
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connect
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measurements from ME to NO-THING = 0 degrees = 0 miles = 0 days = NO-degrees = NO-distance = NO-time.
NO:
1 - particle used to express negative reply to question, request, etc.
2 - not any, not one.
3 - not, by no amount, not at all.
THING:
any possible object of thought including persons, material objects, events, qualitys, ideas, utterances and acts.
The dictionary is a great non-linear history of language.
NO:
1 - particle used to express negative reply to question, request, etc.
2 - not any, not one.
3 - not, by no amount, not at all.
THING:
any possible object of thought including persons, material objects, events, qualitys, ideas, utterances and acts.
The dictionary is a great non-linear history of language.
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n0n
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I get what your saying connect, I think. and as such anything that will or does appear is random at first, and order becomes the unfolding.
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Erck
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Randomness from order contains hope.
Order out of randomness is depressing.
Order out of randomness is depressing.
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n0n
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Only you make hope and only you make depressing, what is depressing to one, could be joy to another. say I have a toy and I brake it in some random place but still could do its toy job, put it in the trash and some one maybe some were, which means a point that is completely random, picks it up. Get what I'm saying? their is also, per say: a man and his wife, and one cheats on the other, then the other finds out the other is cheating, the partner that is doing the cheating took in a random person, within an order of marriage.
so really its both, but both can eather be good or bad it becomes choice, and what we confuse is all things must eather be yes or no, one or the other, but that's not correct. For their is a point of null, within each yes/no and that is the "question". and the "question" is a first step within finding the "answer", but their can be multipul questions to an answer or their can be multipul answers to a question.
And that which is random is of a complexness a human mind cannot understand, right? unless it (the human mind) can observe the entirety of all events within, including all steps, all changes, all uhmm.. everything. Beautifull things can come from randomness, clouds for one, placement of stars, music is a huge one (their is such realization within sound), and we are aware randomness. I know none like myself, I look like some people but not exactly at all, even twins experience completely different things (unless one can tell the other absolutely everything within existence during the experiance).
and so,
What is nothing? Nothing is chaos, what does all of pi explain?, an unperfect circle for it cannot reach a whole. what is nothing to stop logic? nothing blocks pi from reaching a whole, a limit to something is nothing, and it can be as forcefull as the logic itself. their for,
inf. n=1->
N = inf. distance & inf. closeness (or Time and Nothing)
0 = inf. # of N note: inf. means any number
N = (0*10^n) (0/10^n) note: 0 represents a # of N
nothing = N0N
something = N0N/N0N and the reduction to the least common denominator and nothing
something within time = the continual providance of such an act/ repetition of the reduction in ever changing complexity to order (multi - fractals).
what is order to ever changeing complexity? is it a single fractal? but fractals cannot explain the universe within a whole, but it does explain our individual minds. the idea of multi-fractal can. but do not doubt the size of infinity, for as our universe will die it will become like eather a seed or like the randomness that causes the seed to grow. it will take an almost infinite amount of time but it will happen and existence will all occur again in some other way. for the infinitness of a multi-fractal would be so huge that our universe is at that point of infinite closenes, at this time.
ok so what do you think of this version of Divisional continuum? close? even at all? good? bad? anything? please?
so really its both, but both can eather be good or bad it becomes choice, and what we confuse is all things must eather be yes or no, one or the other, but that's not correct. For their is a point of null, within each yes/no and that is the "question". and the "question" is a first step within finding the "answer", but their can be multipul questions to an answer or their can be multipul answers to a question.
And that which is random is of a complexness a human mind cannot understand, right? unless it (the human mind) can observe the entirety of all events within, including all steps, all changes, all uhmm.. everything. Beautifull things can come from randomness, clouds for one, placement of stars, music is a huge one (their is such realization within sound), and we are aware randomness. I know none like myself, I look like some people but not exactly at all, even twins experience completely different things (unless one can tell the other absolutely everything within existence during the experiance).
and so,
What is nothing? Nothing is chaos, what does all of pi explain?, an unperfect circle for it cannot reach a whole. what is nothing to stop logic? nothing blocks pi from reaching a whole, a limit to something is nothing, and it can be as forcefull as the logic itself. their for,
inf. n=1->
N = inf. distance & inf. closeness (or Time and Nothing)
0 = inf. # of N note: inf. means any number
N = (0*10^n) (0/10^n) note: 0 represents a # of N
nothing = N0N
something = N0N/N0N and the reduction to the least common denominator and nothing
something within time = the continual providance of such an act/ repetition of the reduction in ever changing complexity to order (multi - fractals).
what is order to ever changeing complexity? is it a single fractal? but fractals cannot explain the universe within a whole, but it does explain our individual minds. the idea of multi-fractal can. but do not doubt the size of infinity, for as our universe will die it will become like eather a seed or like the randomness that causes the seed to grow. it will take an almost infinite amount of time but it will happen and existence will all occur again in some other way. for the infinitness of a multi-fractal would be so huge that our universe is at that point of infinite closenes, at this time.
ok so what do you think of this version of Divisional continuum? close? even at all? good? bad? anything? please?
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- #329
Erck
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This is a good example of randomness coming from order.n0n said:
There is an underlying order to the randomness and diversity of life.
That "order" is what we're looking for.
We get a good feeling from randomness... but only if it's on the surface.
If we think that randomness underlies all things... well, welcome to chaos.
To some chaos is the preferred reality... or is it really?
Imagine that at the core of reality there is nothing.
Then imagine that at the core of reality there is something.
Which gives you hope and which doesn't?
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n0n
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I still think you deside, or we deside. me I found music to be my holy of all things, My music is my out for everything, good and bad, happyness and sadness it covers it all . its not that their is hope or their isn't hope its just "is", and then live your life to be happy, find a girl friend if that makes you happy, write a dream as a book if that makes you happy, just be at peace with everything and everything will be at peace with you. At least that's what I've found.
If you look down on things of course there won't be hope, because hope isn't a thing given, its a way of thinking, just like luck. And their is only one way to get there and that is by accepting only what you think is correct, if it don't seem logical it isnt, but if you reach a realization of its correctness later then it is. point is question everything how else could E=mc2 come into our existence (wish I could have met that guy).
why? because we start as a blank page when were born, and everything we learn from school is from people just like you, just like me, passed down year after year to some other person. But if you find greatness in something (the whole "yea that's what I want to do for the rest of my life") grab onto it. I can garentee that you will suck at it at first, cause with me and music I so just sucked at it, I didnt learn it from anyone else I just wrote music all by my self and it gives me such respect for it. and every song I wrote I thought was cool at the time even if it did suck cause that made me write even more. why, cause if people can write good music, or be good at anything, so can you if you truelly want it, but you truelly have to want it.
I like what you said Erck, and is a great point in your words "Imagine that at the core of reality there is nothing. Then imagine that at the core of reality there is something." what better to describe such a thing then Pi, or E, or whatever else number is chaotic. sorry I shouldn't use "random" for that is an action without a cause, and all things have a cause because life is "be-cause", not reaction without a reason.
Everything that we experience is remembered, all of it is, including the things we would rather forget. Do not forget because " its so much more an insane event to remember something then it is to forget it" - Waking life, tward the end of the movie. why, because time is the greatest distance from everything else, and as such the point of were some object was can be detumined by observing were it is now. hmm.. could that be taken as religious?
If you look down on things of course there won't be hope, because hope isn't a thing given, its a way of thinking, just like luck. And their is only one way to get there and that is by accepting only what you think is correct, if it don't seem logical it isnt, but if you reach a realization of its correctness later then it is. point is question everything how else could E=mc2 come into our existence (wish I could have met that guy).
why? because we start as a blank page when were born, and everything we learn from school is from people just like you, just like me, passed down year after year to some other person. But if you find greatness in something (the whole "yea that's what I want to do for the rest of my life") grab onto it. I can garentee that you will suck at it at first, cause with me and music I so just sucked at it, I didnt learn it from anyone else I just wrote music all by my self and it gives me such respect for it. and every song I wrote I thought was cool at the time even if it did suck cause that made me write even more. why, cause if people can write good music, or be good at anything, so can you if you truelly want it, but you truelly have to want it.
I like what you said Erck, and is a great point in your words "Imagine that at the core of reality there is nothing. Then imagine that at the core of reality there is something." what better to describe such a thing then Pi, or E, or whatever else number is chaotic. sorry I shouldn't use "random" for that is an action without a cause, and all things have a cause because life is "be-cause", not reaction without a reason.
Everything that we experience is remembered, all of it is, including the things we would rather forget. Do not forget because " its so much more an insane event to remember something then it is to forget it" - Waking life, tward the end of the movie. why, because time is the greatest distance from everything else, and as such the point of were some object was can be detumined by observing were it is now. hmm.. could that be taken as religious?
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