What is Nuclear Binding Energy and How Does it Relate to Mass Defect?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of nuclear binding energy and its relationship to mass defect. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and conceptual clarifications regarding how binding energy is derived and understood within the context of nuclear physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the definition of nuclear binding energy and its connection to mass defect, suggesting that it should relate to the work done by strong interactions minus electrostatic forces.
  • Another participant provides a link to a Wikipedia article on nuclear binding energy, possibly as a resource for further understanding.
  • A hypothetical scenario is presented involving two isolated protons and their weights when brought close together, leading to questions about whether their mass increases or if the energy behaves like mass in a gravitational field.
  • One participant argues that there is no real difference between two proposed explanations regarding mass and energy, suggesting that either can be used for calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between binding energy, mass defect, and the implications of energy in gravitational fields. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the theory of relativity and the mathematical treatment of strong interactions, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the concepts discussed.

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Hey,

I'm having a hard time trying to understand what nuclear binding energy really means.
In most of the introductory texts I have, they say some of the mass of the nucleus appears as binding energy (mass defect).

According to the definition, shouldn't it just be the work done by strong interaction minus work done by electrostatic forces while assembling the nucleus. If we had a mathematical equation for the strong interaction, could we calculate the binding energy by integrating it over displacement from infinity.

I don't understand how exactly it is related to the mass defect. Unfortunately I still don't fully understand the theory of relativity. Any idea how I should proceed? I'd like to getbatleast the basic idea of what it really is.

Thanks in Advance!
 
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Okay let's consider this simple situation.

If I have two isolated protons initially at an infinitely large distance apart.(of course there is a uniform gravitational field, so that we can measure weight) (let's say it is possible to weigh them using a machine whose mechanism is purely mechanical or to be specific based on gravity like the common weighing machines we find at home, I know it's not possible but for now if we consider it to be possible)
If I weight these isolated protons, say I obtain a weight of w° of each.

Now if I bring these two close to each other, I have to do positive work, ie inject energy into the system. After this, if I weigh the system using the same weighing machine, according to what I understand, the new weight (w) should be more than than the sum of the initials (2w°)

If this is true which of the following would be a correct explanation?

1. The mass of each of the protons has increased, and hence they are more strongly attracted by the gravitational field, leading to a larger weight when measured.

2. The mass of the protons is still the same, but the extra positive energy the system has (electrostatic potential energy), behaves exactly like mass ie is also "attracted" by the gravitational field, and hence leads to the extra weight of the system when measured.

3. I am totally confused, and I should go back to the basics again.
 
I don't think there's any real difference between 1 and 2, since they give the same measurement. You can pick one that works better for your calculation.
 

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