What is purpose of an integrating factor and how do you get one?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the expression 2y^4dx + 4xy^3dy is an exact differential equation. Participants are exploring the conditions under which this expression can be classified as exact or inexact, referencing the criteria involving partial derivatives.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning how to take partial derivatives of the terms involved, particularly regarding the absence of x in the term 2y^4. There is also discussion about the correct formulation of the exactness condition and the implications of treating variables as constants during differentiation.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of exact differentials and the role of integrating factors. Some have suggested potential forms for integrating factors, while others are clarifying the necessary conditions for exactness and the process of differentiation.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of differential equations and the definitions of exactness, with some confusion noted regarding the formulation of the problem and the expectations for deriving integrating factors.

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Homework Statement



Am I doing this correctly?
Is 2y^4dx +4xy^3dy exact or inexact?

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The Attempt at a Solution



So if its exact, then M(x,y)dx = N(x,y)dy right? (Euler)

But how can I take partial derivative of 2y^4 with respect to x, if there is no x to derive??

thats where I am stuck?
 
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Am I doing this correctly?
Is 2y^4dx +4xy^3dy exact or inexact?

This is unclear.


So if its exact, then M(x,y)dx = N(x,y)dy right? (Euler)

Unclear

But how can I take partial derivative of 2y^4 with respect to x, if there is no x to derive??

2y^4 is constant does not change with respect to x

If the function f = 2y^4 does not change as x changes; it remains constant
d [f] / dx should be?
 
jenzao said:

Homework Statement



Am I doing this correctly?
Is 2y^4dx +4xy^3dy exact or inexact?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



So if its exact, then M(x,y)dx = N(x,y)dy right? (Euler)

You have omitted something here: this is supposed to be

M(x,y) dx + N(x,y) dy = 0

is an exact differential equation (in R) iff

M_y (x,y) = N_x (x,y) everywhere on R.

So you need to take partial derivatives to check this...

But how can I take partial derivative of 2y^4 with respect to x, if there is no x to derive??

... which you have reversed the order of in your work. You should be taking the partial derivative of 2y^4 with respect to y.
 
jenzao said:

Homework Statement



Am I doing this correctly?
Is 2y^4dx +4xy^3dy exact or inexact?

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



So if its exact, then M(x,y)dx = N(x,y)dy right? (Euler)
No, you have it reversed. It is M(x,y)y= N(x,y)x- assuming you mean M(x,y)dx+ N(x,y)dy.

But how can I take partial derivative of 2y^4 with respect to x, if there is no x to derive??
Then it is a constant with respect to x and the derivative would be 0. However what you want is (2y4)y and (4xy3)x.

thats where I am stuck?
Remember WHY you are doing that. IF M(x,y)dx+ N(x,y)dy is an exact differential, then there exist some function f(x,y) such that df= M(x,y)dx+ N(x,y)dy. By the chain rule,
[tex]df= \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y} dy[/itex] <br /> so if M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy is exact, M(x,y)= f<sub>x</sub> and N(x,y)= f<sub>y</sub>. Taking the derivatives of M and N give the <b>mixed</b> derivatives: M(x,y)<sub>y</sub>= f<sub>xy</sub> and N(x,y)<sub>x</sub>= f<sub>yx</sub>. As long as the derivatives are all continuous, those mixed derivatives must be equal.<br /> <br /> That does NOT answer your title questin "What is the purpose of an integrating factor and how do we find one". <br /> <br /> Given a function f(x,y), it "differential" is <br /> [tex]df= \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial f}{\partial y}dy[/tex]<br /> Writing arbitrary functions for M(x,y) and N(x,y) in M(x,y)dx+ N(x,y)dy may LOOK like a differential but as I pointed out above, such an f exists if and only if the above criterion is satisfied- if and only if the differential is <b>exact</b>. It can be shown that, given anything of the form M(x,y)dx+ N(x,y)dy you can always multiply it by some function of x and y to <b>make</b> it exact- an "integrating factor". There is, however, NO general method of finding an integrating factor.<br /> <br /> In this particular case, since both M(x,y) and N(x,y) involve only powers of x and y, I might <b>try</b> x<sup>n</sup>y<sup>m</sup> as an integrating factor. Multiplying by that, I have 2x<sup>n</sup>y<sup>m+4</sup>dx+ 4x<sup>n+1</sup>y<sup>m+3</sup>dy. Now, (2x<sup>n</sup>y<sup>m+4</sup>)<sub>y</sub>= 2(m+4)x<sup>n</sup>y<sup>m+3</sup> and (4x<sup>n+1</sup>y<sup>m+3</sup>)<sub>x</sub>= 4(n+1)x<sup>n</sup>y<sup>m+3</sup>. The powers of x and y are correct! In order that those be equal we must have 2(m+4)= 4(n+1) or 2m+ 8= 4n+ 4 so m= 2n- 2. It is easest to take n= 1 so m= 0. That means that x itself is an integrating factor: (2xy<sup>4</sup>)<sub>y[/sup]= 8xy<sup>3</sup> and (4x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>3</sup>)<sub>x<sub>= 8xy<sup>3</sup> also.<br /> <br /> That means there must exist some function f(x,y) so that df= f<sub>x</sub>dx+ f<sub>y</sub>ydy= (2xy<sup>4</sup>)dx+ (4x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>3</sup>)dy. In particular, f<sub>x</sub>= 2xy<sup>4</sup> so, integrating with respect to x (while treating y as a constant since this is a partial derivative) we have f(x,y)= x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>4</sup>+ C(y). Notice that, because y is treated as a constant in <a href="https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/partial-differentiation-without-tears/" class="link link--internal">partial differentiation</a>, the "constant of integration" <b>might</b> be a function of y. However, differentiating that with respect to y we have (x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>4</sup>+ C(y))<sub>y</sub>= 4x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>3</sup>+ C'(y)= 4x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>3</sup> so C'(y)= 0- C really is a constant. f(x,y)= x<sup>2</sup> y<sup>4</sup>+ C.<br /> <br /> Now, whether multiplying by that "integrating factor" disrupts the <b>rest</b> of the problem depends upon what the problem is! dynamicsolo is incorrect to suggest that there <b>must</b> be an "= 0" on that. A "differential" is <b>not</b> a "differential equation" and an "exact differential is not an "exact differential equation". However, if the problem really were, as he suggested, to solve the (non-exact) differential equation 2y<sup>4</sup>dx+ 4xy<sup>3</sup>= 0, then multiply both sides by x gives 2xy<sup>4</sup>dx+ 4x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>3</sup>= d(x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>4</sup>)= 0 which has the general solution x<sup>2</sup>y<sup>4</sup>= C.</sub></sub></sub>[/tex]
 
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