What is Relativistic Heat Force? Any Research Papers on This Topic?

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The discussion revolves around the term 'relativistic heat force' and seeks clarification on its meaning and any relevant research papers. Participants explore the context in which the term was encountered and examine a specific paper that mentions it.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests an explanation of 'relativistic heat force' and asks for related research papers.
  • Another participant notes that a Google search for the term yields no relevant results, expressing skepticism about its usage.
  • A third participant identifies a paper by Manfred Requardt that mentions the term and provides a link to it.
  • Concerns are raised regarding potential errors in the paper, particularly about the treatment of volume and pressure in the context of Lorentz contraction and invariance.
  • One participant suggests that the paper's claim about volume increasing with relative velocity contradicts established concepts of length contraction, questioning its validity.
  • Another participant points out a possible typo in the paper regarding the relationship between volume and relativistic effects, indicating that the authors clarify this in a later equation.

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Participants express uncertainty about the term 'relativistic heat force' and its implications. There is disagreement regarding the interpretation of equations in the referenced paper, with some participants questioning the authors' claims while others suggest corrections.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the paper's equations and the implications of relativistic effects on volume and pressure, which remain unresolved.

Frank Lampard
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Can anyone explain me the term 'Relativistic heat force'?
Any research papers dealing with this topic??
Thanking in advance..
 
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A Google search on "relativistic heat force", using quotes to keep the words together in that exact sequence, turns up exactly two hits, both of which refer to your posting. (Wow, is Google fast, or what? :bugeye:)

Perhaps it would help us if you can say where you saw this phrase, and what the context was. I don't claim to be an expert on current developments in relativity or thermodynamics, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen this phrase before.
 
I had found it in a paper called "Thermodynamics meets Special Relativity
– or what is real in Physics?" by Manfred Requardt.
Here's the link--arXiv:0801.2639v1 [gr-qc] 17 Jan 2008
 
The linked paper http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0801/0801.2639v1.pdf has something very odd in it. I hope someone can clear up what seems a very basic error in the paper.

In equation (2) the paper clearly states \gamma = (1-u^2/c^2)^{-1/2}

In equation (7) the paper states m = m_o \cdot \gamma = m_o \cdot (1-u^2/c^2)^{-1/2}

So far, this all very classic relativity but perhaps a bit old fashioned in using the relativistic mass increase concept. Nevetheless we note that by the expression m_o dot gamma they mean an increase of mass with increase of relative velocity.

Now just before equation (26) the paper states:

"Using the above expression for G, the fact that p is a Lorentz invariant, i.e. p = p0, and the change of volume by Lorentz contraction, V = V_o \cdot \gamma , one can integrate the above expression and get.."

Now of course I am very happy that they assume that pressure is invariant as everyone here knows that is my belief, but by V_o dot gamma they must be implying an increase of volume with increase of relative velocity. Is that not the opposite of length contraction and therefore a mistake? Maybe it is me that missing something basic?
 
kev said:
The linked paper http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0801/0801.2639v1.pdf has something very odd in it. I hope someone can clear up what seems a very basic error in the paper.

In equation (2) the paper clearly states \gamma = (1-u^2/c^2)^{-1/2}

In equation (7) the paper states m = m_o \cdot \gamma = m_o \cdot (1-u^2/c^2)^{-1/2}

So far, this all very classic relativity but perhaps a bit old fashioned in using the relativistic mass increase concept. Nevetheless we note that by the expression m_o dot gamma they mean an increase of mass with increase of relative velocity.

Now just before equation (26) the paper states:

"Using the above expression for G, the fact that p is a Lorentz invariant, i.e. p = p0, and the change of volume by Lorentz contraction, V = V_o \cdot \gamma , one can integrate the above expression and get.."

Now of course I am very happy that they assume that pressure is invariant as everyone here knows that is my belief, but by V_o dot gamma they must be implying an increase of volume with increase of relative velocity. Is that not the opposite of length contraction and therefore a mistake? Maybe it is me that missing something basic?



It's a typo. The authors use V=V_0 \gamma ^{-1} a few lines below in eq (28).
 
1effect said:
It's a typo. The authors use V=V_0 \gamma ^{-1} a few lines below in eq (28).

Thanks! The typo really threw me :P
 

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