What Is the Absolute Magnitude of a 60W Lightbulb?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the absolute magnitude of a 60W lightbulb by comparing it to the luminosity of the Sun, which is given as +4.75. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin the calculation, particularly regarding the relevance of the Sun's luminosity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of setting the distance to 10 parsecs and question how this affects the equations provided. There are inquiries about the definitions and quantities involved in the equations, particularly concerning absolute magnitude and the relationships between brightness and flux.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about definitions and the application of equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between luminosity, brightness, and distance, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on understanding the definitions and relationships in the context of absolute magnitude and luminosity. The original poster's uncertainty about the starting point indicates potential gaps in understanding the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


By comparing with the luminosity of the Sun, calculate the absolute magnitude of a 60W lightbulb. [THe absolute magnitude of the Sun is +4.75; you may ignore colour differences]

Homework Equations


m-M=5log(d/10pc)
f = \frac{L}{4\pi d^{2}}
m1 - m2 = -2.5long(f1 / f2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not really sure where to start. I know the luminsoty of the Sun to be 3.8x1026W but I'm not sure how it helps.
 
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If d = 10 pc for both objects, what does the second equation become?
 
I'm not sure what you mean? Surely, it just has 10pc put into it.
 
What is the definition of absolute magnitude? What are the quantities on the right side of the second equation when d = 10 pc?
 
George Jones said:
What is the definition of absolute magnitude? What are the quantities on the right side of the second equation when d = 10 pc?

Oops, I meant "on the left side of the second equation'".
 
First, The Greek Astronomer Hiparchos divided the stars we see on the sky in 6 magnitudes.The brightest were of first magnitude ,the next fainter stars were second and the stars just visible with naked eye were 6th magnitude.
British astronomer Pogson(1854) ,taking into account the law of Weber and Fechner ,according to which the intesnity of feelings is proportional to the logarithm of the stimulus
stated the relationship: lm/ln=c(exp)(n-m) (1)
Where lm and ln are the brightnesses and m ,n are the corresponding magnitudes.Here the subjective feeling is the apparent magnitude of the star and the stimulus is the brightness.
Since the first magnitude star is 100 times brighter than a 6th magnitude star from (1) we have:

l1/l6=100=c (exp)(6-1) therefore c=2.512 ,that is the ratio of two successive magnitudes is 2.512 ,
Setting the value of c into the pogson equation we get : lm/ln=2.512(exp)(n-m) ,from which if you log both sides you get the third relevant equation ,you show us.

Now: According to the principle of physics that brightnesses are inversly proportional to the squares of the distances we have:

l/L=(10pc)^2/r^2 , where L is the abolute brightness at distance of 10 parcecs and l is the brighness at distnce r

NOW IT MUST BE CLEAR THAT f1=lm and f2=ln , i.e BRIGHTNESS (l) =FLUX (f)

USING THE THIRD RELEVANT EQUATION we have:

M-m= 2.5log(l/L)=2.5log(100/r^2) ,{warning :NOTE THE - SIGHN AND THE ORDER OF FLUXES !}

Solving the last equation whith respect to M( abolute magnitude)
we get M=m+ 5-5 logr

Which is absolutely equivalent to your first relevant equation.

now use LaTeX Code: f = \\frac{L}{4\\pi d^{2}} you want to find the absolute brightness/flux (f) therefore you put in this equation d=100 (YOU DONT NEED TO CONVERT PARSECS INTO METERS BECAUSE YOU WILL DIVIDE THE FLUXES) and put L= 3(10)^23

This is the ABSOLUTE luminosity of the sun.

Divide the ABSOLUTE luminosity of the sun with the ABSOLUTE luminosity of the bulb.

THE KEY IS THAT THE ABSOLUTE LUMINOSITY OF AN OBJECT IS GIVEN WHEN YOU USE THE FORMULA LaTeX Code: f = \\frac{L}{4\\pi d^{2}} AND YOU PUT d=10 pc.

Finally when you have the ratio of the fluxes put it in your third relevant equation and put m1=Msun=4.75 ,
The only uknown is the absolute magnitude of the bulb Mbulb.
Now its easy to do the calculations to find the answer.

hehe
 

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