Mass Function of Stars in Globular Clusters - 600 M Sun

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The discussion revolves around the mass function of stars in a globular cluster, specifically examining the implications of a mass distribution defined by \(\phi(M)=K M^{-2}\). The problem includes determining the necessity of an upper mass limit to prevent infinite cluster mass, calculating this limit for a total cluster mass of 600 \(M_{Sun}\), and finding the corresponding bolometric luminosity and absolute magnitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for an upper mass limit to avoid divergence in total mass and explore the implications of their calculations. There is a focus on the correct application of definite integrals versus indefinite integrals in their attempts to solve the problem. Questions arise regarding the realism of the calculated upper mass limit and the approach to calculating bolometric luminosity.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some have suggested corrections to the integrals being used and are exploring the relationship between mass and luminosity. There is a recognition of the need for further calculations, particularly regarding the bolometric luminosity, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

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Participants note constraints such as the imposed total mass of 600 \(M_{Sun}\) and the specific limits of integration for the calculations. There are also references to homework rules that restrict the level of assistance that can be provided.

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Homework Statement


Stars in a globular cluster are distributed as a mass function of: \phi(M)=K M^{-2}, such that dN=\phi(M) dM is the stars number in the infinitesimal mass interval. Masses are between a lower limit M_{inf}=0.3 M_{sun} and an upper limit M_{sup}, unknown.
The constant K is equal to 200 M_{Sun}.
Let's assume also that the relation between the bolometric luminosity and the stars masses is L(M)=L_{Sun}(\frac{M}{M_{Sun}})^{3.5}. Requests:

(i) to show the necessity of the existence for the upper limit in the mass distribution, to avoid that the cluster mass diverge toward infinite.

(ii) to calculate the value of such limit so that the total mass of the cluster is 600 M_{Sun};

(iii) to calculate the cluster bolometric luminosity in solar units, and the corresponding absolute magnitude.

EDIT: the absolute bolometric magnitude for the Sun is given in the exercise text: m_{sun}=4.75

Homework Equations


M_{TOT}=\int_{M_{inf}}^{M_ {sup}} M \phi(M) dM


The Attempt at a Solution


M_{TOT}=\int_{M_{inf}}^{M_ {sup}} K M^{-1} dM = K log M

Is it the right way?
Can i have a hand please?
 
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Your solution is a good start, but it has a problem. On the one hand, it looks like an indefinite integral because the limits of integration don't appear on the right hand side. On the other hand, if it were an indefinite integral, it would need a constant of integration to go along with it. The way to go here is definite integral because of the limits of integration in the middle term of your solution. Once you do that, I think the answer to part (i) will pop out at you.
 
Yes, ok. I wrote a definite solution just to have some feedback...
I will do that and then i will post it to have other help for the other parts.
Thanks
 
Well, the first two points are quite straightforward:
M_{TOT}= K log \frac{M_s}{M_i},
so the existence of the upper limit is imposed from the otherwise divergent result.

Imposing M_{TOT}= 600 M_{Sun}, it's easy to find Msup=300 M_{Sun}, that is not so realistic.

But i can not proceed for the third point...
 
RHK said:
Imposing M_{TOT}= 600 M_{Sun}, it's easy to find Msup=300 M_{Sun}, that is not so realistic.
You are right, it is not realistic. 3 or 4 such stars would be the whole cluster and that is no cluster. You are assuming that the log is base 10. However, the formula you are using for the integral uses a different base.
 
That is right!
It was suspect, indeed.

Any suggest for the third point too?
 
What work have you done so far on part (iii)?
 
None: i can't handle it...
 
RHK said:
None: i can't handle it...
It's a rule here. we're not allowed to help you until you take the first step. Surely you have something you can show us.
 
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Maybe: L_{bol}=\int L(M) dM = \int L_{Sun} (\frac{M}{M_{Sun}})^{3.5} dM

so the bolometric luminosity in solar unit is

\frac{L_{bol}}{L_{Sun}}=\frac{1}{M_{Sun}^{3.5}} \frac{M^{4.5}}{4.5}

where M is MTOT.
Is this plausible?
 
  • #11
I see a couple of problems with this solution. For one thing, you have not taken into account the number of stars having a given luminosity. This shouldn't be hard to do though since you know the luminosity in terms of mass and you sort of know how many stars are of a given mass. Another problem is that you have once again taken an indefinite integral (without the constant of integration) when what is wanted is a definite integral.
 
  • #12
If i understand your suggestion, the right integral is:

L_{bol}=\int_{M_{inf}}^{M_{sup}} L(M) \phi(M) dM

This make more plausible the solution, indeed.
But i wait further confirms to proceed with calculations.
 
  • #13
RHK said:
If i understand your suggestion, the right integral is:

L_{bol}=\int_{M_{inf}}^{M_{sup}} L(M) \phi(M) dM
This is correct. It is instructive to compare this formula to the one given as a relevant equation in the OP.

RHK said:

Homework Equations


M_{TOT}=\int_{M_{inf}}^{M_ {sup}} M \phi(M) dM
 
  • #14
I am taking my son to basketball practice now. Perhaps someone else can pick up from here. It seems there isn't much left to do.
 
  • #15
Thanks a lot!

From the right integral it's possible to find the bolometric luminosity in solar unit.
Then the absolute magnitude is:

m_{bol} = -2.5 \frac{L_{bol}}{L_{sun}} + m_{sun} where m_{sun} is the absolute bolometric magnitude for the Sun, and it's given in the exercise text m_{sun}=4.75
 
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