How do I determine the uncertainty value of the star's absolute magnitude?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the uncertainty value of a star's absolute magnitude based on its apparent magnitude, distance modulus, and distance in parsecs. The subject area includes concepts from astrophysics and error analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of uncertainty in distance and its impact on the absolute magnitude. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the uncertainty in distance and the validity of the calculations presented. There is also a focus on the relationship between the uncertainties of apparent and absolute magnitudes.

Discussion Status

Some participants have recalculated the uncertainties and provided feedback on the initial attempts. There is a mix of agreement and questioning regarding the methods used, particularly concerning the assumptions about distance uncertainty and the calculations of absolute magnitude uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the uncertainty in distance (Δd) was initially assumed to be 1 parsec, which was later corrected to 500 parsecs. There is also mention of a potential error in a LaTeX link that was shared, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement


I have a star that has an apparent magnitude of 13.73 with uncertainty of 0.03303

It's distance Modulus is 13.9967 so it's absolute magnitude is -0.26

The distance is 6300 parsecs

Homework Equations


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The uncertainty on log10(d) is given by
Δ(log10)≈0.4343 Δd/d

ΔQ) = √(Δx)^2 + (Δy)^2 errors of sums or differences

The Attempt at a Solution



My guess is working out the uncertainty of d first

0.4343 x Δ/6300

d= 0.4343/6300

d=0.00007

and then the uncertainty of the absolute magnitude given by:

∆M= 0.4343 × √(0.03303)^2+(0.00007)^2) =0.0143

I'm not quite sure if this is right.
 
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What is Δd? You seem to assume 1 pc, that is unrealistic in an astronomy context.
Thomas Smith said:
and then the uncertainty of the absolute magnitude given by:

∆M= 0.4343 × √(0.03303)^2+(0.00007)^2) =0.0143
Why did you multiply by 0.4343?
Thomas Smith said:
I'm not quite sure if this is right.
Your uncertainty on the derived absolute magnitude is smaller than the uncertainty on the measured apparent magnitude. Can that be right?
 
mfb said:
What is Δd? You seem to assume 1 pc, that is unrealistic in an astronomy context.
Why did you multiply by 0.4343?Your uncertainty on the derived absolute magnitude is smaller than the uncertainty on the measured apparent magnitude. Can that be right?
∆d is 500 parsec sorry
 
I've did my calculations again and got the absolute magnitude uncertainty of 0.21.

I did 0.4343 x 500/6300
∆log(d) = 0.0345
∆5log(d) = 0.0345 × 5 = 0.1725

∆M = sqaureroot of (0.033030)^2 + (0.1725)^2

∆M = 0.20553 rounded up to 0.21
 
That looks good.

This forum supports LaTeX, by the way: ##\Delta M = \sqrt{0.033030^2+0.1725^2} = 0.2055##

How I wrote it: ##[/color]\Delta M = \sqrt{0.033030^2+0.1725^2} = 0.2055##

Edit: Fixed link
 
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mfb said:
This forum supports LaTeX,
Hi mfb:

The LaTeX link does not open. I get the message:
Server error
404 - File or directory not found.
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

I imagine you may want to correct this.

Regards,
Buzz
 
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi mfb:

The LaTeX link does not open. I get the message:
Server error
404 - File or directory not found.
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

I imagine you may want to correct this.

Regards,
Buzz
Missing initial h. Should read https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/
 

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