What is the average force on a baseball after being hit by a bat?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the average force exerted on a baseball after being struck by a bat. The scenario includes a baseball with a mass of 0.145 kg, initially traveling horizontally at 50.0 m/s, and leaving the bat at an angle of 35 degrees above horizontal with a speed of 60.0 m/s. The contact time between the bat and the ball is 1.65 milliseconds.

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  • Participants discuss the need to split the velocity into components before calculating acceleration. There are attempts to apply kinematic equations and momentum principles, with some participants expressing confusion over the signs of the components and the role of gravity in the calculations.

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Some participants have made progress on the horizontal component of the average force but continue to struggle with the vertical component. There is ongoing exploration of different methods, including momentum and impulse approaches, with no clear consensus on the correct path forward.

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Participants question the initial vertical velocity of the baseball and whether gravity should be considered in the calculations, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem setup. There are also references to specific numerical values and calculations that have led to confusion.

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Homework Statement


A bat strikes a 0.145 kg baseball. Just before impact, the ball is traveling horizontally to the right at 50.0 m/s, and it leaves the bat traveling to the left at an angle of 35 degrees above horizontal with a speed of 60.0 m/s. The ball and bat are in contact for 1.65 milliseconds.

A) Find the horizontal component of the average force on the ball. Take the x-direction to be positive to the right

B) Find the vertical component of the average force on the ball.

Express answers with two significant figures.

Homework Equations


F= ma
V= Vo + at


The Attempt at a Solution


First I plugged into the kinematics equation:
60 m/s= 50 m/s + a (0.00165 s)
a= 6060.61 m/s^2

Then I simply used sin and cos to get the components:
6060.61sin(35) = 3476.2 = 3500 (sig figs) = Fy
6060.61cos(35) = 4694.56 = 4700 (sig figs) = Fx

Both of these are wrong. What am I doing wrong?
 
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You need to split the velocity into components first. THEN find the components of acceleration. You can't treat acceleration as a scalar and then split into components.
 
Dick said:
You need to split the velocity into components first. THEN find the components of acceleration. You can't treat acceleration as a scalar and then split into components.

Ok, did that and still got it wrong.

Spitting 60 into components I get: Fx= 49.15 and Fy= 34.4146

Now plugging in: 49.15 = 50 + a(0.00165)
a= -515.15

Fx= (.145)(-515.15)
Fx= 74.69 = 75 (sig figs)

Wrong still.
 
The initial vx=50m/s. Because it's traveling right. Final vx=(-49.15)m/s. That's MINUS because it's traveling left.
 
Thanks, I got the first part.

But the same thing isn't working for the second. It isn't negative since it's going up. Do I need to factor in gravity somehow?
 
javacola said:
Thanks, I got the first part.

But the same thing isn't working for the second. It isn't negative since it's going up. Do I need to factor in gravity?

What did you do and what did you get for the second part? I doubt you have to deal with gravity. It's not going to do much in 1.65 milliseconds.
 
Same thing basically.

34.4146 (vertical component of velocity) = 50 + a (0.00165)
a= -9445.69697

Fy= (-9445.69697)(.145)
Fy= -1369.626= -1400 (sig figs)
 
Nothing?
 
javacola said:
Same thing basically.

34.4146 (vertical component of velocity) = 50 + a (0.00165)
a= -9445.69697

Fy= (-9445.69697)(.145)
Fy= -1369.626= -1400 (sig figs)

Is 50 really the initial vertical velocity? I don't think so.
 
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Thought I would update this one.


Baseball force problem

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1. Homework Statement
A bat strikes a 0.145 kg baseball. Just before impact, the ball is traveling horizontally to the right at 50.0 m/s, and it leaves the bat traveling to the left at an angle of 35 degrees above horizontal with a speed of 60.0 m/s. The ball and bat are in contact for 1.65 milliseconds.

A) Find the horizontal component of the average force on the ball. Take the x-direction to be positive to the right

B) Find the vertical component of the average force on the ball.

Express answers with two significant figures.

2. Homework Equations

sigma F = (p2-p1)/(t2-t1).

I did this problem via momentum/impulse


FX = (mass of ball * v2cos(angle) - mass of ball * v1) / time in seconds

(.145 * 50cos(35) - .145*60)/.00165 =


FY = (mass of ball * v2sin(angle) - 0 (has no initial velocity in y direction, so .145*0=0) /time
(.145*50cos(35)-.145*60)/.00165 =


my problem had different numbers in it, but I figure this could help someone else looking for an answer. I haven't seen anyone do it this way yet.


also: http://people.physics.tamu.edu/mahapatra/teaching/ch8_supl_sols.pdf is what I checked my answers with.
 
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