What is the canonical form of the metric?

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The discussion revolves around the canonical form of the metric in the context of general relativity, specifically as described in Sean M. Carroll's book "Spacetime and Geometry." Participants explore the implications of the metric's diagonal representation and its components, addressing interpretations and clarifications regarding the structure of the metric.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant interprets Carroll's expression as implying a diagonal matrix of minimum size 9x9, questioning the representation of the metric components.
  • Another participant asserts that the interpretation aligns with the Wikipedia article, suggesting no discrepancy.
  • A different participant clarifies that the numbers (-1, 1, 0) can correspond to varying quantities, emphasizing that a non-degenerate metric would not include zeros, while a Lorentzian metric would have one -1 and the rest as 1s.
  • Another participant states that the canonical form of the metric retains the same index range as other forms, specifically four for relativity, and explains the meaning of Carroll's notation.
  • One participant proposes a clearer representation of the metric, suggesting an alternative diagonal form that includes zeros and ones.
  • Another participant challenges this suggestion, stating it would be incorrect and unclear.
  • Some participants discuss the characteristics of a non-degenerate metric, noting that it is diagonal with ±1 in each component, while also mentioning the distinction between metrics and pseudo-metrics.
  • One participant claims that two specific matrix representations of the metric are equivalent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of Carroll's description of the metric's canonical form, leading to multiple competing views on its representation and characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and correctness of the proposed interpretations.

Contextual Notes

There are varying assumptions about the size and structure of the metric matrix, as well as the definitions of non-degenerate and Lorentzian metrics. The discussion reflects differing conventions and interpretations within the context of general relativity.

George Keeling
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I am reading Spacetime and Geometry : An Introduction to General Relativity – by Sean M Carroll and he writes:
Quote: A useful characterisation of the metric is obtained by putting ##g_{\mu\nu}## into its canonical form. In this form the metric components become $$ g_{\mu\nu} = \rm{diag} (-1, -1,...-1,+1,+1, ... +1,0,0, ... ,0) $$where "diag" means a diagonal matrix with the given elements. End quote.

Wikipedia tells me to "Write ## \rm{diag} (a_1, ..., a_n)## for a diagonal matrix whose diagonal entries starting in the upper left corner are ##a_1, ..., a_n##." So Carroll's expression seems to imply a diagonal matrix with with a minimum size 9x9 and one extra row and column wherever one of his .'s takes a value. Or something like $$\begin{pmatrix}
-1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & . & 0 \\
0 & -1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & . & 0 \\
. & . & . \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & -1& 0 & 0 & 0 & . & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & . & 0 \\
. & . & .
\end{pmatrix}$$ In general Carroll does not assume that ##\mu,\nu## have a range such as 1,2,3 or 0,1,2,3 until he gets to examples which are much simpler.

I don't think my interpretation is correct. Can anybody cast any light for me?
 
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He means exactly the same thing as the wiki article.
 
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George Keeling said:
So Carroll's expression seems to imply a diagonal matrix with with a minimum size 9x9 and one extra row and column wherever one of his .'s takes a value.
No, this is not what is intended. Each set of numbers (-1,1,0) can correspond to any quantity of that number. For a non-degenerate metric there would be no zeros and for an actual metric (defined as positive definite) there would be only ones. For a Lorentzian metric (one time-like direction), there would be one -1 and the rest of the diagonals would be 1.
 
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The canonical form of the metric has the same range of indices as any other form - four for relativity. Carroll is using ##-1,\ldots,-1## to mean "some number, possibly zero, possibly more, of -1s". In relativity the canonical form of the metric has three -1s, one +1, and no zeros (though sign conventions do vary!).
 
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I like #3 and #4 so I get $$
\begin{pmatrix}
-1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix} $$ perhaps Carroll would have been clearer had he written $$ g_{\mu\nu} = \rm{diag} (-1, 0,1,...-1, 0,1, ... -1, 0,1, ... ,-1, 0,1) $$ Thanks!
 
That would have been wrong and very unclear.
 
Does this work?
As a matrix, a non-degenerate metric in canonical form is diagonal with ±1 in each component.
 
George Keeling said:
Does this work?
As a matrix, a non-degenerate metric in canonical form is diagonal with ±1 in each component.
Technically, that would be a pseudo-metric unless you have +1 in all diagonals, but in physics we just call it metric anyway.
 
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This
$$
\begin{pmatrix}
-1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix} $$
and this
$$ g_{\mu\nu} = \rm{diag} (-1, 1, 1,1) $$
are the same.
 
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