What is the Characterization of a Function Whose Cube is Smooth?

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The discussion centers on characterizing functions whose cube is smooth, exploring the properties and examples of such functions. Participants examine the implications of smoothness in relation to the cube root and the nature of specific functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to characterize functions from ℝ to ℝ whose cube is smooth, providing examples like x^(1/3) and polynomials.
  • Another participant suggests that any smooth function can be cubed to yield a smooth result, implying that the cube root of smooth functions is a valid approach.
  • A participant questions the smoothness of specific functions, noting that while f(x) = x^3 is a local diffeomorphism, its inverse (the cube root) is not smooth at zero.
  • There is a discussion about the existence of functions that are not smooth but whose cube is smooth, with the cube root of x being cited as an example.
  • One participant concludes that functions whose cube is smooth must take the form of the cube root of a smooth function, reinforcing the relationship between the two concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the smoothness of specific functions and the implications of smoothness in relation to their cubes. There is no consensus on a definitive characterization of such functions.

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Some participants highlight the need for careful consideration of differentiability at specific points, such as the origin, which complicates the characterization of functions in this context.

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Readers interested in the properties of smooth functions, mathematical analysis, and the relationships between functions and their transformations may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,

I want to charectize the function whose cube is smooth from R to R. For example x^1/3 is smooth and olsa any polynomial but how can i charectrize it?

Thanks
 
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Do you have any special form in mind? You could just take the cube root of smooth functions.
 
i just want to ask what are the functions whose cube is smooth?
 
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Wait, isn't the function f(x)=x^3 a diffeomorphism? So any function for which its cube is smooth must be smooth itself (just apply the inverse of f to it).
 
Jamma:

f(x)=x is smooth, but f(x)=x1/3 is not. And f(x)=x3 is not a diffeo. from ℝ to ℝ , since its inverse x1/3 is not differentiable at 0.
 
Oops, oh yeah, the OP wrote that and I just blurted it out without checking.

It is a local diffeomorphism elsewhere though, so if we're looking for an example of a function which isn't smooth but whose cube is, it'll have to be smooth everywhere except the origin where it must not be but is after we've cubed it. I'm not sure how to characterise such things- but they clearly exist e.g. the cube root of x is such a function- it is not smooth but its cube is (you can also have the cube root of any smooth function as such a function).
 
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Wait, clearly all such functions are of this form:

Suppose we have a function f for which its cube is smooth. This means that f^3 is smooth. But then the cube root of f^3 is the original function and is in the form "cube root of a smooth function". Conversely, the cube root of a smooth function will clearly cube to a smooth function, so there's your answer. Funny how sometimes you can completely miss the obvious!
 

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