What is the charge on the outer surface of the middle conductor?

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The problem involves three concentric hollow spherical conductors with specified charges. The inquiry focuses on determining the charge on the outer surface of the middle conductor, given the charges on the inner and outer conductors.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of Gaussian surfaces and the distribution of charge on conductors. Questions arise regarding the necessity of charge neutrality and the behavior of electric fields within conductors.

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The discussion is exploring the relationship between the charges on the inner and outer surfaces of the middle conductor. Some participants have provided hints and clarifications regarding the total charge and the electric field within the conductor, but no consensus has been reached on the final answer.

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Participants are navigating the implications of charge distribution and electric fields in conductors, with specific attention to the conditions imposed by the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Three concentric hollow spherical conductors are charged as follows: the inner conductor carries charge Q, the middle conductor carries charge -2Q, and the outer conductor carries charge -Q. What is the charge on the outer surface of the middle conductor?

Homework Equations


Flux= Qenc / ε0

The Attempt at a Solution



Because the flux inside a conductor has to be zero, I drew a gaussian surface in the second conductor, since the first conductor is carrying Q, the inner surface of the 2nd conductor should carry -Q, and the outer surface, to neutralize that should carry Q.

This is incorrect, and the correct answer is apparently -Q.
 
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PhysicsInNJ said:
drew a gaussian surface in the second conductor, since the first conductor is carrying Q, the inner surface of the 2nd conductor should carry -Q,
Good!

PhysicsInNJ said:
and the outer surface, to neutralize that should carry Q.
The outer surface doesn't have to 'neutralize' anything. Hint: What's the total charge on the second conductor?
 
Doen't the inside of the conductor itself have to have no electric field? and if you have uneven charges there would be a field? And if the total charge of the second conductor is -2Q, and the inner surface is -Q, then they just are additive and the outer surface becomes -Q?
 
PhysicsInNJ said:
Doen't the inside of the conductor itself have to have no electric field?
That's correct: within the conducting material, the electric field is zero.
PhysicsInNJ said:
and if you have uneven charges there would be a field?
Not sure what you mean by "uneven". Realize that the charge on the outer surface of the conductor has no effect on the field within it.
PhysicsInNJ said:
And if the total charge of the second conductor is -2Q, and the inner surface is -Q, then they just are additive and the outer surface becomes -Q?
Correct. That's all there is to it.
 
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That was what I was getting caught up in, that the charge on the outside does not effect the field inside. Thank you!
 

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