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Demystifier said:Consider a physical system in which the average value of position is ##<x>=0##. What is the probability that the position is ##x=1## nm?
But if you also know \langle x^2 \rangle, \langle x^3 \rangle, ...?
The discussion explores the analogy between the Born rule in quantum mechanics and concepts in thermodynamics, particularly focusing on how probabilities are represented in both frameworks. Participants examine the implications of these analogies, the mathematical formulations involved, and seek examples of thermodynamic systems that exhibit similar probabilistic behavior as seen in quantum mechanics.
Participants express differing views on the applicability and interpretation of the Born rule in relation to thermodynamics. There is no consensus on whether the analogy holds or how to define the counterpart in thermodynamics. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific examples of thermodynamic systems that exhibit probabilistic behavior similar to quantum mechanics.
Participants note the limitations of their arguments, including the need for clearer definitions and the potential dependence on specific assumptions about the systems being discussed. The mathematical formulations presented may also depend on the context in which they are applied.
Demystifier said:Consider a physical system in which the average value of position is ##<x>=0##. What is the probability that the position is ##x=1## nm?
Demystifier said:I think such a question can be meaningfully asked only by using mathematical equations.
Demystifier said:suppose that this trajectory can be explained theoretically by two different Hamiltonians
Demystifier said:Consider a physical system in which the average value of position is ##<x>=0##. What is the probability that the position is ##x=1## nm?
Yes.Blue Scallop said:Ok, mathematically.. if we remove the position basis.. then there would be no decoherence and no subsystems if there are no other basis to define it. And it's back to pure Hilbert space vectors with unit trace 1.
Yes.PeterDonis said:Is this possible?
Solution ##x(t)=0##.PeterDonis said:Can you give an actual example?