High School What is the comparison between the Born rule and thermodynamics?

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The discussion explores the analogy between the Born rule in quantum mechanics and thermodynamic principles, particularly regarding the probability distributions of particle locations. The Born rule relates to the probability of measurement outcomes in quantum systems, while thermodynamics employs statistical operators to describe macroscopic states. Participants seek examples of thermodynamic systems where probabilities vary in a manner similar to quantum interference patterns, emphasizing the need for conceptual clarity over complex mathematics. The conversation also touches on the differences in measurement approaches between macroscopic and microscopic systems, highlighting the role of coarse-graining in thermodynamic averages. Overall, the dialogue suggests a deeper understanding of the connections between quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics is still evolving.
  • #91
Demystifier said:
Consider a physical system in which the average value of position is ##<x>=0##. What is the probability that the position is ##x=1## nm?

But if you also know \langle x^2 \rangle, \langle x^3 \rangle, ...?
 
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  • #92
Demystifier said:
I think such a question can be meaningfully asked only by using mathematical equations.

Ok, mathematically.. if we remove the position basis.. then there would be no decoherence and no subsystems if there are no other basis to define it. And it's back to pure Hilbert space vectors with unit trace 1.

So the question is.. what kind of information can be stored in the Hilbert space nonorthogonal states? How complex the information it can hold? Can they store a Barbie doll information? or nothing? just want to have idea...
 
  • #93
Demystifier said:
suppose that this trajectory can be explained theoretically by two different Hamiltonians

Is this possible? Can you give an actual example?
 
  • #94
Demystifier said:
Consider a physical system in which the average value of position is ##<x>=0##. What is the probability that the position is ##x=1## nm?

To be more conventional, one can use the term "expectation" in place of "average". Conceptually, there is no difference. You can see A. Neumaier's post #78 for the mathematical fine print.
 
  • #95
Blue Scallop said:
Ok, mathematically.. if we remove the position basis.. then there would be no decoherence and no subsystems if there are no other basis to define it. And it's back to pure Hilbert space vectors with unit trace 1.
Yes.
 
  • #96
PeterDonis said:
Is this possible?
Yes.

PeterDonis said:
Can you give an actual example?
Solution ##x(t)=0##.
$$H_1=\frac{p^2}{2m}$$
$$H_2=\frac{p^2}{2m}+\frac{k x^2}{2}$$
 

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