What Is the Concentration of Pb(ClO3)2 in the Original Solution?

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The discussion revolves around a dilution problem involving the concentration of Pb(ClO3)2 in an original solution. Participants explore the relationship between the moles of Pb2+ ions in a diluted sample and the concentration of the original solution, addressing the calculations involved in determining molarity.

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  • One participant presents a dilution problem, calculating the molarity of Pb(ClO3)2 based on the moles of Pb2+ found in a diluted sample.
  • Another participant confirms the principle that the amount of moles must remain constant during dilution but questions the calculation method used by the first participant.
  • A third participant seeks clarification on whether the moles of Pb2+ can be directly used to find the molarity of the solution, suggesting uncertainty about the measurement context.
  • A fourth participant critiques the use of vague references in the problem statement and encourages a more detailed mass balance approach to clarify the distribution of lead in the samples.

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Participants generally agree on the principle of mass balance in dilution but express differing views on the calculations and interpretations of the measurements involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to calculating the concentration.

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Participants have not fully clarified the assumptions regarding the relationship between moles of Pb2+ and the original concentration of Pb(ClO3)2, nor have they resolved the mathematical steps leading to the final concentration value.

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I've been practicing some dilution problems from my chemistry book and I can't seem to get some of these down.

A 13 mL sample of a solution of Pb(ClO3)2 was diluted with water to 21 mL. A 15 mL sample of the dilute solution was found to contain 2.7 moles of Pb2+. What was the concentration of Pb(ClO3)2 in the original undiluted solution?

The concentrated solution has a 13 mL sample with an unknown molarity.
The diluted solution has a 15 mL sample with an unknown molarity and a given amount of moles for the Pb ion.

Since the ratio of Pb ions to Pb(ClO3)2 is 1:1, there are also 2.7 moles of Pb(ClO3)2 (I think). I divided 2.7 mol Pb by .015 L (15 mL) and got a molarity of 180 M.

Now since the amount of moles from the concentrated to the diluted solutions has to be the same, I divided 2.7 by .013 L to get 207 M. The correct answer is 290 M. I'm not sure what I did wrong.

It would be much appreciated if someone could point me in the right direction.
 
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(snip)Now since the amount of moles from the concentrated to the diluted solutions has to be the same,

Correct
I divided 2.7 by .013 L

Why 2.7 by 0.013? It's wrong, and if you can tell me why you did it, you'll know why it's wrong.
 
Is it correct to say that 2.7 moles of the solution allow me to directly find the molarity of the solution if I know the volume? That is what I did. Perhaps 2.7 isn't the measure for the entire solution but only the solute.
 
Don't do that --- "the solution" without referrant, followed by "the solution" without referrrant --- it's called "fishing," and it irritates me.

Sample = 13; dilute to 21; assay of 15 = 2.7; part one of your OP suggests you understand mass balance --- now, do the mass balance for the sample, the dilution, and the assay, and tell me where all the lead from the 13 ml sample is.
 
Thanks for your help!
 

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