What is the connection between F Theory and M Theory?

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The discussion explores the relationship between F Theory and M Theory, focusing on the implications of F Theory's proposed two time dimensions and how they might relate to concepts of time travel, entropy, and the nature of past and future. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and speculative reasoning.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the connection between F Theory and M Theory, with a particular interest in the implications of F Theory's two time dimensions.
  • One participant describes F Theory as a 12D string theory with two time dimensions, prompting questions about the logical consistency of such a framework.
  • There is speculation that two time dimensions could allow for simultaneous existence of past and future, potentially enabling time travel without violating the first law of thermodynamics.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of two time dimensions, arguing that entropy cannot logically increase and decrease simultaneously.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of two time dimensions, noting the difficulty in conceptualizing time beyond the traditional one-dimensional framework.
  • There are discussions about whether the future can be said to "exist" if time travel is feasible, with differing views on the definitions of past and future.
  • One participant suggests that if all points in time exist simultaneously, it raises questions about the nature of time and the existence of multiple versions of events.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the increasing of entropy does not necessarily imply a contradiction if considered in a two-dimensional time framework.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of two time dimensions, with no consensus reached on the logical feasibility of such a concept or its consequences for time travel and entropy. The discussion remains unresolved with competing interpretations of time and its properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding of the implications of two time dimensions, particularly regarding the nature of entropy and the definitions of past and future. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and interpretations that are not fully reconciled.

  • #31
Originally posted by MajinVegeta
Mentat, assume the universe is unbalanced=disorderly. If it is unbalanced, then it could be both at onece. That's what makes it disorderly.

Are you saying that, if it is disorderly, then it can be orderly?
 
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  • #32
I assume that by "two time dimensions" they mean two timelike dimensions, in the sense that the radial dimension of a black hole is timelike (it forces you to move forward, never backward.) I doubt it's much of anything to worry about and more than likely has nothing to do with entropy.
 
  • #33
Originally posted by Mentat
Are you saying that, if it is disorderly, then it can be orderly?

No, not orderly as in completely orderly. What I mean is 'portions' could be orderly, and others wouldn't be orderly. And that's what makes it disorderly, disproportional. BUT, don't take what I'm saying as factual; I'm speculating at the top of my head.
 
  • #34
Originally posted by MajinVegeta
No, not orderly as in completely orderly. What I mean is 'portions' could be orderly, and others wouldn't be orderly. And that's what makes it disorderly, disproportional. BUT, don't take what I'm saying as factual; I'm speculating at the top of my head.

Majin, whether it's altogether disorderly or orderderly is not really important. What I'm saying is that if it is getting more disorderly then it is getting less and less orderly, isn't that right?
 
  • #35
Precisely!

But what does 'disorder' imply about the universe? Chaos?
 
  • #36
Originally posted by MajinVegeta
Precisely!

Then the idea of entropy's "increasing in more than one direction" is nonsensical, is it not?
 
  • #37
I guess.
 
  • #38
Originally posted by MajinVegeta
I guess.

Alas, there are quite a few people who hold to the idea of two time dimensions, and so there may be some good reasoning behind it. Don't just take my reasoning, learn as much as you can about them (if your interested) and make your own conclusion.
 

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