What is the contradiction between neutrino oscillation and helicity?

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The discussion revolves around the apparent contradiction between neutrino oscillation and the helicity of neutrinos, particularly focusing on the implications of neutrino mass and the behavior of neutrinos under different reference frames. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to particle physics and the weak interaction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all neutrinos are left-handed and all anti-neutrinos are right-handed, suggesting that this should imply Lorentz invariance and masslessness, yet neutrino oscillation implies that neutrinos have mass.
  • Others propose that a massive neutrino can have helicity close to -v/c, indicating that experimental measurements may not yet be precise enough to detect differences in spin.
  • One participant emphasizes that neutrino oscillation requires different masses for different flavors, raising questions about energy and momentum conservation when measuring neutrinos created in one flavor and detected in another.
  • Another participant clarifies that the left-handed nature of neutrinos holds only under the massless approximation, and with mass, there can exist reference frames where neutrinos appear right-handed.
  • Some participants highlight the distinction between helicity and chirality, noting that while the weak interaction couples to the left-handed chiral component, a massive neutrino can be observed in a frame where it has right-handed polarization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of neutrino mass for helicity and the conditions under which neutrinos are considered left-handed or right-handed. There is no consensus on the resolution of the contradiction between neutrino oscillation and helicity.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference the need for a proper treatment of quantum effects and the complexities involved in understanding symmetries in neutrino oscillation, indicating that the topic may require advanced knowledge of particle physics.

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All neutrinos are left handed and all anti neutrinos are right handed.so,it should be lorentz invariant and travel at speed of light. if it travels at c,then it is massless. but, neutrino oscillation requires mass? why there is contradiction?
 
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A massive neutrino will generally have a helicity h=-v/c. This is so close to 1 that there is as yet no experimental spin measurement accurate enough to measure the difference.
 
spidey said:
All neutrinos are left handed and all anti neutrinos are right handed.so,it should be lorentz invariant and travel at speed of light. if it travels at c,then it is massless. but, neutrino oscillation requires mass? why there is contradiction?
You don't even really need helicity to get a "contradiction". Neutrino oscillation can happen only of neutrinos of different flavors have different masses. If a neutrino is created by the Sun in an electronic flavor, it has a given energy and a given momentum. How can it be measured on Earth with a different mass if energy and momentum are conserved ?

I mean to say that the issue of symmetries in neutrino oscillation can not be thought of academically without proper treatment of (elementary) quantum effects. The answer is indeed what Clem points out : the problem is academic because the symmetry violations are so tiny, they merely stem from the Heisenberg's inequalities. I don't mean to say it is trivial either, such a proper treatment is rather tedious.

Neutrino mass, mixing, and flavor change
C. Amsler et al., Physics Letters B667, 1 (2008)
 
spidey said:
All neutrinos are left handed and all anti neutrinos are right handed.so,it should be lorentz invariant and travel at speed of light. if it travels at c,then it is massless. but, neutrino oscillation requires mass? why there is contradiction?


Well, you hit the nail on the head. All neutrinos are left handed (and anti-neutrinos right handed) only in the approximation mass=0. Now that we know they have mass, this rule simply isn't true any more (that is, it's possible to define a reference frame where neutrinos are right-handed).
 
thanks for the replies mates..so not all neutrinos are left handed..there is a reference frame where it will be right handed..
 
humanino said:
You don't even really need helicity to get a "contradiction". Neutrino oscillation can happen only of neutrinos of different flavors have different masses.

Neutrino mass, mixing, and flavor change
C. Amsler et al., Physics Letters B667, 1 (2008)

Thanks Humanino..but i don't understand the technical paper, very difficult to follow with my limited knowledge:cry:..
 
The usual terminology as I understand it is to call particles that enter the weak interaction with V-A (The sign is different in some formalisms.) are called "left handed" so that all leptons are left handed, even if they do not have pure alignment.
 
I think there is a confusion between helicity and chirality. The weak interaction couples to the left-handed chiral component of the neutrino. If the neutrino were massless, that would also be the left-handed polarization state of the neutrino.

Since the neutrino has mass, one can boost to a frame where the polarization becomes right-handed, but there is still a left-handed chiral component, so it still feels the weak force.
 

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