What is the Correct Form of the Natural Logarithm Law for (ln(x))^(1/x)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the expression (ln(x))^(1/x) and its relationship to ln(x^(1/x)). Participants explore the validity of the equation, its implications, and the limit of the expression as x approaches infinity, including the application of L'Hospital's Rule.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the equation (ln(x))^(1/x) = ln(x^(1/x)), stating it does not hold in general, only when x = 1.
  • Another participant provides numerical examples to illustrate that (ln(2))^(1/2) does not equal ln(2^(1/2)), highlighting the discrepancy.
  • Concerns are raised about finding the limit of (ln(x))^(1/x) as x approaches 0, noting that ln(x) becomes negative for x < 1, which complicates the evaluation of fractional powers of negative numbers.
  • A participant corrects the limit question to state that it should be as x approaches infinity, not zero, and expresses uncertainty about using L'Hospital's Rule to evaluate it.
  • Some participants mention the general logarithmic property ln(ab) = b ln(a) in relation to the original expression.
  • There is a suggestion that the original equation is incorrect, prompting further clarification on the expression being discussed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the equation (ln(x))^(1/x) = ln(x^(1/x)). There are multiple competing views regarding the limit of the expression as x approaches infinity and the application of L'Hospital's Rule.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the limit evaluation and the conditions under which the logarithmic properties apply, particularly regarding negative values and fractional powers.

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How does
(ln(x))^(1/x)=ln(x^(1/x))?

A friend told me this was a true statement but could'nt prove it. If that isn't true, then how would you find the lim x->0 of (ln(x))^(1/x) using L'Hospital's Rule?
 
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Towk667 said:
How does
(ln(x))^(1/x)=ln(x^(1/x))?

It doesn't, in general. It does if x = 1.
 
For example, if x= 2, ln(2)= 0.69315, approximately so (ln(2))^{1/2}= 0.83255. But 2^{1/2}= 1.41421 so ln(2^{1/2})= 0.34657. Not at all the same.
 
For example, if x= 2, then ln(2)= 0.69315, approximately, and (ln(2))^{1/2}= 0.83255.<br /> <br /> But 2^{1/2}= 1.41421 and so ln(2^{1/2})= 0.34657. Not at all the same.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; As for the entire problem of finding the limit, as x goes to 0, of (ln(x))^{1/x}, I see a serious difficulty: as soon as x&amp;lt; 1, ln(x)&amp;lt; 0 and fractional powers of negative numbers are not defined.
 
That's what I thought, but my friend insisted that it was true. I've been rattling my brain for about 2 days on that one, so I decided to ask here. So can you help me with limit I mentioned in my first post? I typed it wrong in the first post its the limit as x approaches infinity not zero. I can see from graphing it that it's going to come out to one, but I don't know how to use L'Hopistal's Rule to solve for it. If I try to evaluate it without changing anything I get something like \infty<sup>0</sup> which would be one if it isn't indeterminant, I don't remember if it is or isn't. Anyways, I'm supposed to use L'Hosp. Rule and I don't know how to write the limit as a fraction to use L'Hopistal's Rule though.
 
General formula: ln(ab)=(b)ln(a)
For your formula: ln(x1/x)=(1/x)ln(x)

As for the L'Hopital rule question, you don't need it, since the expression goes to (-∞), which is ∞, with an ambiguous sign.
 
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mathman said:
General formula: ln(ab)=(b)ln(a)
For your formula: ln(x1/x)=(1/x)ln(x)

As for the L'Hopital rule question, you don't need it, since the expression goes to (-∞), which is ∞, with an ambiguous sign.

The original equation is [ln(x)]^(1/x) not ln(x^(1/x)).
 
Towk667 said:
The original equation is [ln(x)]^(1/x) not ln(x^(1/x)).

...and the original equation was incorrect, so mathman gave something correct.
 

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