What is the Correct Formula for System Acceleration to Prevent Slippage?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the correct formula for system acceleration to prevent slippage between a block and a trapezoidal car. The user attempts to derive the acceleration using the equation a = (-μ_k m_1 g cos θ + m_1 g sin θ) / (μ_k sin θ (m_1 + m_2)), but acknowledges a potential oversight regarding the normal force acting on the block. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly identifying the masses involved and understanding the forces at play, particularly the frictional force denoted as "ff".

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General question.

Homework Statement



you are given theta, μ, and both masses. Find the acceleration of the system so the block does not slip.


The Attempt at a Solution



Let m1 be the block, and m2 be the trapezoid car thing.
Let F be the applied force
I used a coord system with the x-axis along the area where the trapezoid touches the block. I came up with:

Fnet = m1 g sin θ - ff

Fnet = m1 g sin θ - u F sin theta - u m1 g cos theta = 0

Substituting for the system gives:

[tex]a = \frac{ -\mu_k m_1 g \cos\theta + m_1g\sin\theta }{\mu_k sin\theta (m_1+m_2) }[/tex]

Although i think this is incorrect since i did not account for the normal force of the car onto the block. Can someone correct this?
 

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Please show your reasoning. I can see what ##\theta## and ##\mu## are, but which mass is ##m_1## and which ##m_2##? What does "ff" mean in your equations?

Since this is homework, we won't correct it for you.
What we can do is help you correct it for yourself.
 

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