What Is the Correct Method to Estimate Ionization Energy in He-like Carbon?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the ionization energy of He-like carbon (C V) using excitation energies for specific states. Participants are exploring the relationship between quantum defects and ionization energy, as well as the effective nuclear charge in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up equations based on excitation energies and quantum defects to estimate ionization energy. There are attempts to derive the quantum defect and questions about the effective nuclear charge. Some participants express confusion about the assumptions made regarding the ionization energy for different states.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to calculate the ionization energy, with some participants providing alternative values for the quantum defect. Guidance has been offered regarding the effective nuclear charge and the implications of the electron configuration, but no consensus has been reached on the correct method or values.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of specific excitation energies and are questioning the validity of their assumptions regarding the quantum defect and effective nuclear charge. There is also a reference to external resources for clarification on terminology and concepts.

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Homework Statement


In He-like Carbon, C V, the excitation energy of 1s3s ##^1S## is 2851180 ##cm^-1## and for 1s4s ##^1S## it is 2988246 ##cm^-1##. Estimate the ionization energy. Compare with the value in the NIST database!

Homework Equations


##E_{io}= T + E_{excitation}, ## ##T = ##\frac{R}{(n- \delta)^2} ## where delta is the quantum defect.

The Attempt at a Solution


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I started with setting up the equations $$E_{io} = E_{exc}(3s) + \frac{R}{(3- \delta)^2}$$
$$E_{io} = E_{exc}(4s) + \frac{R}{(4-\delta)^2}$$

I subtracted the two equations so I could get rid of ##E_{io}## and just solve for delta, assuming that delta is the same for 3s and 4s.

Numerically in my pocket calculator I got that delta = ca 2.199.

I now plugged that into the equations for T, hence got a value for ##E_{io}##.

But that was wrong..

Apparently the quantum defect and ionization energy was very wrong.

I also assumed that the ionization energy was same fro 3s and 4s.

The answer is " With ##\delta## = 0.03 3s gives 3162180 cm-1 and 4s 3162300 cm-1"

My question is, what did I do wrong and how should I alternatively set up equations to solve for delta? If the ionization energy is not the same for 3s and 4s I can think of any other way.
 
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I think the difference is due to the rounding of δ. I get δ = 0.03096, and Eio = 3162395 cm-1 for both 3s and 4s.
Your equations are incorrect. They refer to a neutral Rydberg atom, where the inner electrons screen Z-1 nuclear charges, so the effective nuclear charge felt by the outer electron is +1 (the quantum defect corrects for imperfect screening). What is the effective nuclear charge here?
 
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mjc123 said:
I think the difference is due to the rounding of δ. I get δ = 0.03096, and Eio = 3162395 cm-1 for both 3s and 4s.
Your equations are incorrect. They refer to a neutral Rydberg atom, where the inner electrons screen Z-1 nuclear charges, so the effective nuclear charge felt by the outer electron is +1 (the quantum defect corrects for imperfect screening). What is the effective nuclear charge here?
Okey. So the idea is to get the same Eionzation energy for both 3s and 4s since it element-specific?

Sorry, I was a little sloppy in my expression for T, but $$Z-N_{inner}$$
= 6-5 = 1 so I didn't write it out. I use ##R=R_{\infty}## , don't you? But even with the "right" rydberg constant it should not differ that much. Do you use the same method as I used above because I can't get that delta.
 
Is Ninner 5? Do you know what "C V" is? Does "He-like" give you a clue? Or the electron configuration 1s3s?
 
mjc123 said:
Is Ninner 5? Do you know what "C V" is? Does "He-like" give you a clue? Or the electron configuration 1s3s?
Actually I no not know what C V mean, what does it mean? When I know that I can figure out number of "free" electrons. But was my method otherwise right?
 
Google is your friend: search for '2851180 carbon'
(you get the NIST answer thrown in ...)
 
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Roman numerals are used in atomic spectroscopy to indicate successive degrees of ionisation, beginning with the neutral atom. So "C I" is the C atom, "C II" is C+, "C III" is C2+ etc. "He-like" means it has the same number of electrons as helium, which is another clue.
Your method is right, except for the wrong effective nuclear charge.
 
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Roman numerals are used in atomic spectroscopy to indicate successive degrees of ionisation, beginning with the neutral atom. So "C I" is the C atom, "C II" is C+, "C III" is C2+ etc. "He-like" means it has the same number of electrons as helium, which is another clue.
Your method is right, except for the wrong effective nuclear charge.

Thank you. Then we have Z= 6 and the shelled electrons, ##N_{inner}## = 0. Since we only have two electrons, which fills the first s-shell. so now ##T=\frac{R*6^2}{(n-\delta)^2}##

But that still makes my results terrible wrong. It's impossible to obtain that delta. And even if I plug in the delta the ionization energy gets wrong. ##E_{exc}(3s) + T=\frac{R*6^2}{(3-0.03)^2} \neq 3162180 cm^{-1} ##as the solutions-manual suggests .

I tried with a similar exercise but here we had F VII (##F^{+6}##). Here the Z_N(inner) = 9-1 = 8. But same here, the results get awfully wrong. What am I doing wrong that mess up my results?
 
How much charge does this 3s electron 'see' ?
 
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No. In the Rydberg states (one electron in a high energy orbital) there is one inner electron. That's what the configuration 1s3s tells you. So Zeff = 5. Likewise F6+ has 3 electrons - 2 inner and one outer.
 

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