What Is the Correct Sign for the Quadratic Form in Margenau's Proof?

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The discussion revolves around the correct sign for the quadratic form in the proof of the Schwarz inequality as presented in Margenau and Murphy's work. Participants explore the implications of the sign in the context of complex numbers and the scalar product in Hilbert spaces, with a focus on the mathematical reasoning behind the inequality.

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  • One participant, Fritz, questions the sign of the quadratic form in the proof, suggesting that the expression should be positive based on the relationship between B and B*.
  • Another participant acknowledges the potential error in the book but argues that the values of ##\lambda## are not critical to the argument, indicating it may be a minor issue.
  • Fritz expresses uncertainty about the proof of the Cauchy-Schwarz inequality for complex numbers, noting that it is not intuitively obvious to him.
  • A later reply provides a detailed mathematical derivation of the inequality, emphasizing the positive definiteness of the scalar product and the conditions under which equality holds.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the sign in the quadratic form. While some suggest there may be an error in the text, others maintain that the argument's integrity is largely unaffected by this issue.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and conditions under which the quadratic form is evaluated, particularly concerning the role of ##\lambda## and the implications of the scalar product's positive definiteness.

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From Margenau and Murphy--quadratic form use not clear
Looking at the proof of the Schwarz inequality in Margenau and Murphy, you will see what I attached. Gamma is asserted to be positive (OK). Given that the usual "quadratic form" solution would read "-(B+B*) .....". The sign does not seem correct to me as shown. In a fact B+B* = 2Re(B) and would be positive in this case given the integrals shown.
What am I missing here?

Thanks
Fritz
 

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I think you found an error in the book. However, the values of ##\lambda## don't play a role in the argument (only the sign of the expression under the square root does), so I would call it a small error.

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OK and thanks! The authors assumptions make sense but they must be evaluated carefully so I thought I may have missed something 49 years ago when I read the book the 1st time-it was quite a famous book back then.

I find the Cauchy-Schwarz ineq. for complex numbers in N dimensions somewhat tricky-the proof is not intuitively obvious to me upon brief examination.

Take care
Fritz
 
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Writing
$$\langle f|g \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x f^*(x) g(x),$$
you have from positive definiteness of the scalar product in ##L^2##
$$\langle f+\lambda g|f+\lambda g \rangle \geq 0,$$
and thus for all ##\lambda \in \mathbb{C}##
$$\langle f|f \rangle + \lambda^* \langle g|f \rangle+\lambda \langle f|g \rangle + |\lambda|^2 \langle g|g \rangle \geq 0.$$
Now set ##\lambda=-\langle g|f \rangle/\langle g|g \rangle,##
where we assume that ##g \neq 0## (otherwise the Schwarz inequality holds with the equality sign anyway). With this ##\lambda## the inequality reads
$$\langle f|f \rangle-\frac{|\langle f|g \rangle|^2}{\langle{g} | g\rangle} \geq 0.$$
This obviously is equivalent to
$$|\langle f|g \rangle| \leq \|f \| \|g \|, \quad \text{where} \quad \|f \|=\sqrt{\langle f|f \rangle}.$$
Further, due to the positive definiteness the equality sign holds if and only if there's a ##\lambda## such that ##|f \rangle+\lambda g \rangle=0##, i.e., if ##f \rangle## and ##|g \rangle## are linearly dependent.
 
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