What is the Correct Way to Calculate the Area of a Triangle?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the area of triangles, specifically focusing on the area of triangles ABC and AED. Participants explore different methods of calculation, including the use of algebraic equations derived from the properties of similar triangles. The conversation includes numerical values, equations, and potential discrepancies in answers.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially suggests an area of 3200 cm2 for triangle ABC, which is later challenged as incorrect.
  • Another participant proposes that the correct area is 1600 cm2, indicating a mistake in not dividing by 2 when calculating the area.
  • Participants agree that the area of triangle AED can be expressed as xy/2 cm2, and they discuss deriving a numeric value based on equal areas of shaded regions.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the dimensions of the triangles, leading to the equation y/x = 40/(x+10).
  • One participant expresses difficulty in deriving an equation in terms of x from the established relationships.
  • Another participant successfully derives a quadratic equation x2 - 40x - 400 = 0, but questions the values of x and y provided by an answer sheet.
  • Concerns are raised about the discrepancy between calculated values and those from the answer sheet, with one participant suggesting that the teacher's values may have been approximated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the values of x and y, as there are conflicting results from calculations and the answer sheet. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of these values.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the derivation of equations and the relationship between x and y, indicating potential limitations in their calculations or assumptions made during the discussion.

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Let's go through this step by step...can you find the area of $$\triangle ABC$$ ?
 
MarkFL said:
Let's go through this step by step...can you find the area of $$\triangle ABC$$ ?

3200cm^2
 
Yazan975 said:
3200cm^2

That's not correct...how did you arrive at that answer?
 
MarkFL said:
That's not correct...how did you arrive at that answer?

1600cm^2?

For 3200 I multiplied Base and Height but didn't divide by 2
 
Yazan975 said:
1600cm^2?

For 3200 I multiplied Base and Height but didn't divide by 2

Okay, good...so what must the area of $$\triangle AED$$ be?
 
MarkFL said:
Okay, good...so what must the area of $$\triangle AED$$ be?

xy/2 cm^2
 
Yazan975 said:
xy/2 cm^2

Yes, that's correct in terms of \(x\) and \(y\), but we should also be able to assign a numeric value to its area based on the fact that the areas of the two shaded regions are the same. (Thinking)

This will give us an equation...can you state it?
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, that's correct in terms of \(x\) and \(y\), but we should also be able to assign a numeric value to its area based on the fact that the areas of the two shaded regions are the same. (Thinking)

This will give us an equation...can you state it?

xy/2 cm^2 = 800
xy = 1600

Is that right?
 
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Yazan975 said:
xy/2 cm^2 = 800
xy = 1600

Is that right?

Excellent! (Yes)

Okay, now the next thing I notice is that within $$\triangle ABC$$ there are two similar triangles, with $$\triangle AED$$ being the smaller of the two. This means we may state:

$$\frac{y}{x}=\frac{40}{x+10}$$

Do you see where this comes from?

What I would do here is solve both equations we now have for \(y\), and equate the two results to get an equation in \(x\)...can you state this equation?
 
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MarkFL said:
Excellent! (Yes)

Okay, now the next thing I notice is that within $$\triangle ABC$$ there are two similar triangles, with $$\triangle AED$$ being the smaller of the two. This means we may state:

$$\frac{y}{x}=\frac{40}{x+10}$$

Do you see where this comes from?

What I would do here is solve both equations we now have for \(y\), and equate the two results to get an equation in \(x\)...can you state this equation?

I see where it comes from but problem is I got stuck at 40x = 1600+10y
I couldn't get an equation in terms of x

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I see where it comes from but problem is I got stuck at 40x = 1600+10y
I couldn't get an equation in terms of x

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I see where it comes from but problem is I got stuck at 40x = 1600+10y
I couldn't get an equation in terms of x
 
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Yazan975 said:
I see where it comes from but problem is I got stuck at 40x = 1600+10y
I couldn't get an equation in terms of x

I would solve the second equation for \(y\) to obtain:

$$y=\frac{40x}{x+10}$$

And solving our first equation for \(y\) we have:

$$y=\frac{1600}{x}$$

Hence:

$$\frac{40x}{x+10}=\frac{1600}{x}$$

This results in a quadratic in \(x\)...can you write the equation in standard quadratic form?
 
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Yeah, here's the formula:

x^2-40x-400=0(after dividing the equation by 40)

Hence, x=20??

Thing is my answer sheet says y= 30 and x=50
 
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Yazan975 said:
Yeah, here's the formula:

x^2-40x-400=0(after dividing the equation by 40)

Yes, that equation is correct.

Yazan975 said:
Hence, x=20??

Thing is my answer sheet says y= 30 and x=50

I would use the quadratic formula to solve the equation, and you'll find a different value for \(x\), after discarding the negative root. Can you find this value?

I don't see how \(x\) and \(y\) can differ by 20 though, and the values for \(x\) and \(y\) given by your answer sheet cannot be correct.
 
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MarkFL said:
I don't see how \(x\) and \(y\) can differ by 20 though, and the values for \(x\) and \(y\) given by your answer sheet cannot be correct.
Agree. Anyhow, the difference between x and y is not required as a given.
Looks like the math teacher that made that up "eyed" 50 and 30 !
 

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