What is the cross product of 5k and 3i+4j?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of the cross product between the vectors 5k and 3i + 4j. Participants explore the properties of the cross product, including its linearity and anti-symmetry, while attempting to clarify the correct approach to the computation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that multiplying 5k by 3i and 4j yields (15j - 20i), but questions whether this is correct.
  • Another participant indicates that if 5k is the left-hand factor in the cross product, the result is (15j - 20i), but if it is the right-hand factor, the signs should change.
  • A participant explains the basic rules of the cross product, stating that it is anti-symmetric and linear, leading to the same result of (15j - 20i) when applying these properties.
  • There is a mention of a mnemonic for remembering the cross product, along with a determinant approach to compute it, which also leads to (15j - 20i).
  • One participant expresses confusion about the determinant calculation, suggesting that it may be incorrect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the result of the cross product being (15j - 20i) when 5k is the left-hand factor. However, there is disagreement regarding the correctness of the determinant approach and the implications of the order of the vectors in the cross product.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the determinant calculation, with one participant questioning its accuracy. Additionally, the discussion reflects uncertainty about the implications of the order of the vectors in the cross product.

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i have a vector xK where k is the unit vector perpendicular to other unit vectors i and j
when i multiply a force which has 5k for instance another which has ( 3 i + 4 j )
i multiply 5k by 3i then 5k by 4j right ?
the answer would be ( 15 j - 20 i ) right ?
 
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"5k for instance another which has ( 3 i + 4 j )
i multiply 5k by 3i then 5k by 4j right ?"
"the answer would be ( 15 j - 20 i ) right ? "
If your k-vector is the left-hand factor in the cross product, yes.
If your k-vector is your right-hand factor, the signs should be changed.
 
It's hard to make sense out of this. I presume you are asking specifically about the cross product of the vectors 5k and 3i+ 4j. The basic rules for the cross product is that ixj= k, jxk= i, kxi= j, the cross product is "anti- symmetric" (uxv= -vxu), and linear.

The fact that the cross product is linear means that 5k x(3i+ 4j)= 15 kxi+ 20 kxj. The fact that the cross product is anti-symmetric means that kxj= -jxk= -i, so that 5k x (3i+ 4j)= 15j- 20i.

Most people remember the cross product with the mnemonic
[tex](ai+ bj+ ck)\times (di+ ej+ fk)= \left|\begin{array}{ccc}i & j & k \\ a & b & c \\ d & j & k\end{array}\right|[/tex]
where the right side is the determinant.

Here, that would give
[tex]5k \times 3i+ 4j= \left|\begin{array}{ccc}i & j & k \\ 0 & 0 & 5 \\ 3 & 4 & 0 \end{array}\right|[/tex]
Expanding the determinant on the second row, that is
[tex]-5\left|\begin{array}{cc}i & j \\ 3 & 4 \end{array}\right|= -5(4i- 3j)= 15j- 20i[/tex]
 
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HallsofIvy said:
It's hard to make sense out of this. I presume you are asking specifically about the cross product of the vectors 5k and 3i+ 4j. The basic rules for the cross product is that ixj= k, jxk= i, kxi= j, the cross product is "anti- symmetric" (uxv= -vxu), and linear.

The fact that the cross product is linear means that 5k x(3i+ 4j)= 15 kxi+ 20 kxj. The fact that the cross product is anti-symmetric means that kxj= -jxk= -i, so that 5k x (3i+ 4j)= 15j- 20i.

Most people remember the cross product with the mnemonic
[tex](ai+ bj+ ck)\times (di+ ej+ fk)= \left|\begin{array}{ccc}i & j & k \\ a & b & c \\ d & j & k\end{array}\right|[/tex]
where the right side is the determinant.

Here, that would give
[tex]5k \times 3i+ 4j= \left|\begin{array}{ccc}i & j & k \\ 0 & 0 & 5 \\ 3 & 4 & 0 \end{array}\right|[/tex]
Expanding the determinant on the second row, that is
[tex]-5\left|\begin{array}{cc}i & j \\ 3 & 4 \end{array}\right|= -5(4i- 3j)= 15j- 20i[/tex]

The determinant looks wrong.
 

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