What is the cross product of two vectors whose result is the zero vector?

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The discussion centers around the properties of the cross product of two vectors, specifically when the result is the zero vector. Participants are exploring the implications of this scenario in the context of vector mathematics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conditions under which the cross product of two vectors results in the zero vector, with some suggesting that the vectors must be parallel. Questions arise regarding the mathematical relationships involved, particularly concerning the sine and cosine functions in relation to the cross product.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's statements about the mathematical properties of the cross product. There is a recognition of the need for clarity regarding the definitions and relationships involved, but no consensus has been reached.

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Some participants express confusion over the roles of sine and cosine in the context of the cross product, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the underlying concepts. The original poster has provided an example to verify their understanding, but further clarification is sought.

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  1. Verify (https://ucdsb.elearningontario.ca/content/enforced/4850117-BL_1415Sem2__MAT_MCV4UU-948314_1_ELO/MCV4UPU01/MCV4UPU01A06/images/vec-a.gif?_&d2lSessionVal=Y3hirJUTSYjH76OEZwqHIBATE&ou=4850117 + https://ucdsb.elearningontario.ca/content/enforced/4850117-BL_1415Sem2__MAT_MCV4UU-948314_1_ELO/MCV4UPU01/MCV4UPU01A06/images/vec-b.gif?_&d2lSessionVal=Y3hirJUTSYjH76OEZwqHIBATE&ou=4850117) × (https://ucdsb.elearningontario.ca/content/enforced/4850117-BL_1415Sem2__MAT_MCV4UU-948314_1_ELO/MCV4UPU01/MCV4UPU01A06/images/vec-a.gif?_&d2lSessionVal=Y3hirJUTSYjH76OEZwqHIBATE&ou=4850117 + https://ucdsb.elearningontario.ca/content/enforced/4850117-BL_1415Sem2__MAT_MCV4UU-948314_1_ELO/MCV4UPU01/MCV4UPU01A06/images/vec-b.gif?_&d2lSessionVal=Y3hirJUTSYjH76OEZwqHIBATE&ou=4850117) = 0⃗ . What can be said about two vectors whose cross product is the zero vector
a x b

= i j k
3 -3 1
-12 12 -4

=
i
( (-3) · (-4) - 1 · 12 ) -
j
( 3 · (-4) - 1 · (-12) ) +
k
( 3 · 12 - (-3) · (-12) ) =
=
i
( 12 - 12 ) -
j
( (-12) - (-12) ) +
k
( 36 - 36 ) =
=
(0 ; 0 ; 0)

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have i correctly verified with an example that two vectors whose cross product is the zero vector?
 
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You have created two vectors with zero cross product. Do you understand what can be said about two vectors whose cross product is zero?
 
jasonleroy said:
You have created two vectors with zero cross product. Do you understand what can be said about two vectors whose cross product is zero?
They are parallel, since the cross product involves the cosine function. cos(90) = 0. The cross product is a sine function, if it is zero, the angle is zero or 180, so they are in the same or opposite directions. ?
 
That's it, but the cross product is AB*sin(x). I'm not following what you meant by the line below, but you got the main point.

amy098yay said:
...the cross product involves the cosine function. cos(90) = 0
 
jasonleroy said:
That's it, but the cross product is AB*sin(x).
No, that's not the cross product. What you're probably thinking of is |A| |B| |sin(θ|), which gives the magnitude of A X B.
 
amy098yay said:
They are parallel, since the cross product involves the cosine function. cos(90) = 0.
As already pointed out by jasonleroy, the cross product does NOT involve the cosine function. The cross product also does not involve the sine function, although the magnitude of the cross product does.
amy098yay said:
The cross product is a sine function, if it is zero, the angle is zero or 180, so they are in the same or opposite directions. ?
 
Mark44 said:
As already pointed out by jasonleroy, the cross product does NOT involve the cosine function. The cross product also does not involve the sine function, although the magnitude of the cross product does.
then what would the cross product be ?
 
amy098yay said:
then what would the cross product be ?
Just what you already did with the "pseudodeterminant."

$$\begin{vmatrix} i & j & k \\ x_1 & x_2 & x_3 \\ y_1 & y_2 & y_3\end{vmatrix}$$
 

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