What is the Definition of Apparent Wind Angle on a Boat?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and understanding of the apparent wind angle on a boat, particularly in the context of digital filter computations. Participants are exploring the relationship between true wind angle, apparent wind angle, and the vessel's motion, with references to relevant definitions and formulas.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the definition of the alpha angle in the context of apparent wind, suggesting it represents the true wind angle relative to the boat.
  • Another participant clarifies that alpha is the angle between the vessel's motion and the wind, noting that it is not strictly the pointing angle due to the effect of leeway.
  • A participant agrees with the initial assumption that true wind angle is where the wind hits the boat relative to the bow, while apparent wind angle is where the boat feels the wind due to its motion.
  • Another participant challenges the initial assumption, stating that alpha is the angle the wind makes with the vessel's motion rather than the vessel's center line, emphasizing the importance of measuring relative to True North for accuracy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of the alpha angle and its relationship to true and apparent wind angles. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion arising from the definitions and the impact of leeway on the vessel's motion, which may affect the accuracy of the apparent wind angle calculation.

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Hi. I'm working on a digital filter, whose computations are dependent on calculating apparent wind. But I'm not entirely sure if I'm using the formula correct, because i find the description of variables some what vague. Would love if someone please could point out, what the alpha angle is representing on this page :smile::
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_wind

I am assuming that α = pointing angle, is true wind angle relative to the boat.
Would that be correct? Thank you for any answers, and sorry if this might be wrong forum to post this thread.
 
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Neeps said:
Hi. I'm working on a digital filter, whose computations are dependent on calculating apparent wind. But I'm not entirely sure if I'm using the formula correct, because i find the description of variables some what vague. Would love if someone please could point out, what the alpha angle is representing on this page :smile::
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_wind

I am assuming that α = pointing angle, is true wind angle relative to the boat.
Would that be correct? Thank you for any answers, and sorry if this might be wrong forum to post this thread.
Alpha is the angle between the vessel's motion and the wind. But strictly speaking it is not the pointing angle, because a vessel does not generally move exactly in the direction it is pointing due to leeway. The latter is the tendency for a craft to move sideways due to the lateral force of the wind upon it. Leeway is similar to glide angle for an aeroplane, and is related to the behaviour of the keel, rudder and hull as an under water wing.
 
By that definition, my assumption would be correct, yes? True wind angle would be where the wind hits the boat, relative to the bow, ignoring the actual motion of the boat. Apparent wind angle would be where the boat actually feels the wind coming from, because of motion.
 
Neeps said:
By that definition, my assumption would be correct, yes? True wind angle would be where the wind hits the boat, relative to the bow, ignoring the actual motion of the boat. Apparent wind angle would be where the boat actually feels the wind coming from, because of motion.
This is getting confusing. Normal
Neeps said:
By that definition, my assumption would be correct, yes? True wind angle would be where the wind hits the boat, relative to the bow, ignoring the actual motion of the boat. Apparent wind angle would be where the boat actually feels the wind coming from, because of motion.
Your assumption is not correct because alpha is the angle the wind makes with the vessel's motion rather than the vessel's centre line. In practice, it may be a negligible difference, but to be strictly correct it is best to measure vessels motion and true wind relative to True North.
 

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