What is the Deflection of a Simply-Supported Beam?

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The discussion revolves around the deflection of simply-supported beams, focusing on the mathematical derivation of constants of integration in beam deflection problems. Participants are seeking clarification on specific equations and the reasoning behind them, as well as guidance on the steps involved in solving these types of problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the equation A = - (wL^3)/24 and its derivation, questioning the use of (wL^4)/12 in the context of boundary conditions.
  • Another participant mentions uncertainty regarding the constants C1 and C2 in a different deflection problem, specifically why C1 = 1/2PL^2 and C2 = -1/3PL^3.
  • A participant highlights the need for smaller, more detailed steps in the problem-solving process, feeling overwhelmed by the jumps in logic presented in the examples.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the role of constants of integration and boundary conditions, explaining that they are derived from the differential equation governing beam deflection.
  • A later reply provides a step-by-step breakdown of the derivation process for A, showing how boundary conditions lead to the equation A = -wL^3/24.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the detailed explanation, indicating that it has helped clarify the process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for clearer explanations and step-by-step guidance in solving beam deflection problems. However, there is no consensus on the specific mathematical derivations and the reasoning behind certain equations, as multiple viewpoints and levels of understanding are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention difficulties in following the steps due to perceived gaps in the explanations provided in the examples. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the mathematical reasoning required for these problems.

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Deflection of simply-supported beam problem. Please see the attached image of an example problem from a textbook:

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/619/hearnbeamproblem.png

I have absolutely no idea why

A = - (wL^3)/24

and why

0 = (wL^4)/12 - (wL^4)/24 +AL

is used in the determination of A.

I especially do not know why (wL^4)/12 is used in the above equation.

I would have thought that A would represent the left beam support, where I also would have thought that x = 0. But, according to the example in the attached image, x at A = L.
 
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Another example of a deflection problem:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2868/beerbeamproblem.png

I am not sure why C1 = 1/2PL^2, but I have no idea why C2 = -1/3PL^3.

My maths is very weak; I think I just need some kind soul to gently walk me through this!
 
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And a third example:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/9210/be3amproblemthree.png

I have no idea how 52.08 came to equal A.
 
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These terms A, B, C1 in the problems above refer to the constants of integration of the differential equation, as determined from the boundary conditions, and do not in any way refer to the support reactions. Boundary conditions are established at the ends of the beams based on the support condition. For example, if there is no deflection at a left end support, then the vertical deflection, y, equals 0 , when x, the horizontal distance from the left end, is 0. The values of the constants of integration are derived by carefully following the given steps in the examples.
 
PhanthomJay said:
values of the constants of integration are derived by carefully following the given steps in the examples.

That's the problem; I am unable to follow the steps in the examples. The steps are too big; I need smaller steps to bridge the gaps.

To me, the examples seem to go from A straight to Z in one giant leap. I need to know B,C,D...etc., in between. Currently I am completely blind to what these intermediate steps are.

For example, and as I asked above in the first post: Why does A = - (wL^3)/24? What I mean to ask is, how was the (wL^3)/24 arrived at? I am extremely challenged with this 'simple' mathematics and I really need a kind soul to guide me through it very gently and slowly!
 
Aerstz said:
That's the problem; I am unable to follow the steps in the examples. The steps are too big; I need smaller steps to bridge the gaps.

To me, the examples seem to go from A straight to Z in one giant leap. I need to know B,C,D...etc., in between. Currently I am completely blind to what these intermediate steps are.

For example, and as I asked above in the first post: Why does A = - (wL^3)/24? What I mean to ask is, how was the (wL^3)/24 arrived at? I am extremely challenged with this 'simple' mathematics and I really need a kind soul to guide me through it very gently and slowly!
I hear you. Looking at part of the first problem, step by step, inch by inch:

1. [tex]EI(y) = wLx^3/12 -wx^4/24 + Ax + B[/tex]

Now since at the left end, at x = 0, we know there is no deflection at that point; thus, y = 0 when x =0, so substitute these zero values into Step 1 to obtain

2. [tex]0 = 0 - 0 + 0 + B[/tex], which yields

3. [tex]B = 0[/tex], thus Eq. 1 becomes

4. [tex]EI(y) = wLx^3/12 - wx^4/24 + Ax[/tex]

Now since at the right end, at x = L, we also know that y = 0 , substitute X=L and y=0 into Eq. 4 to yield

5. [tex]0 = wL(L^3)/12 - wL^4/24 + AL[/tex] or

6. [tex]0 = w(L^4)/12 - wL^4/24 + AL[/tex] .

Now since the first term in Eq. 6 above, [tex]wL^4/12[/tex], can be rewritten as [tex]2wL^4/24[/tex], then

7. [tex]0 = (2wL^4/24 - wL^4/24) +AL[/tex], or

8. [tex]0 = wL^4/24 + AL[/tex]. Now divide both sides of the equation by L, and thus

9. [tex]0 = wL^3/24 + A = 0[/tex],

and now solve for A by subtracting [tex](wL^3/24)[/tex] from both sides of the equation to get

10. [tex]0 -wL^3/24 = (wL^3/24 -wL^3/24) + A[/tex], or

11. [tex]-wL^3/24 = 0 + A[/tex]

12. [tex]A = -wL^3/24[/tex]
 
Thank you very much, Jay. I appreciate you taking the time to lay the process out as you did!

It is much clearer now, so hopefully I should be able to get past this quagmire and actually progress with some work!
 

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