What is the density of hydrogen atoms in the Universe?

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The discussion centers on the density of hydrogen atoms in the universe, exploring calculations of average density, comparisons to densities in specific environments like the interstellar medium, and the implications of varying densities across different cosmic structures.

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  • One participant presents a detailed calculation of the density of hydrogen atoms, including constants and variables relevant to cosmology.
  • Another participant points out a unit discrepancy between the calculated density (in m3) and a reference from Wikipedia (in cm3), noting the factor of 106 for conversion.
  • A different participant emphasizes that the average density calculation includes regions of vastly different densities, such as stars and voids, suggesting that comparisons to the interstellar medium may not be valid.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the corrections and acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the variability of average density.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of comparing average density calculations to specific environments, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of density calculations in cosmology, including the influence of various cosmic structures and the importance of unit consistency. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the applicability of average density to specific contexts.

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I calculated a value of the average density in our universe of H atom equivalents per cm^3 based on values of cosmological variables from various sources: 2.4244x10^18 . A Wikipedia value for such a value in the interstellar media is very very much less: 10^6.
I am hoping a PFs participant can find my error or an explanation.
UNITS
m is meters​
kg is kiliograms​
K is degrees Kelvin​
s is seconds​
J is joules​
u is daltons = 1.66053906660(50)×10−27 kg​
1 pc = 3.085678 x 1016 m​
CONSTANTS
MH = mass of hydrogen atom = 1.007825 u​
= 1.673532784796145 ×10−27 kg​
G = gravitational constant = 6.6743 ×10−11 m3⋅/kg⋅s2
VARIABLES
H0 = 70 (km/s)/Mpc​
(This reference has an array of values for H0, each with an error range. The value 70 was calculated as a weighted average using the inverse of the square of the error ranges as multipliers.)​
1/H0 = 4.408 x 1017 s​
DENSITY CALCULATION
Ωm = 0.315 (total mass ratio to critical mass))​
Ωb = 0.15 x 0.315 = 0.04725 (baryon mass ratio)​
(I apologize for losing the URL from which I found 0.15)​
ρc = critical density = 3H2/8πG​
ρb = Ωb x ρc
= (3/8pi) H02/G = 4.0573 x 10-9 kg/m3
NH = current density of H atom equivalents =ρb / MH
= 2.4244 x 1018 per m3
DENSITY FROM WIKIPEDIA
matter is primarily in molecular form, and reaches number densities of 106 molecules per cm3
 
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You have per ##m^3##. Wiki has per ##cm^3##. factor is ##10^6##.
 
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Buzz Bloom said:
matter is primarily in molecular form

You're calculating the average density of hydrogen atoms over the entire universe, which includes the volume occupied by things like stars, planets, white dwarfs, and neutron stars, which can have densities many, many orders of magnitude larger than average, and also includes volumes like the "voids" between galactic superclusters, which can have densities orders of magnitude smaller than average.

You are then comparing this to an estimate of the density of the interstellar medium. You should not expect these two numbers to be the same (even after correcting for the units as @haruspex says).
 
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Hi @mathman and @PeterDonis:

I much appreciate your helpful posts. My faulty intuition, even with mathman's correction, was that the variability of average density is much less than it apparently is.

Regards,
Buzz
 

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