What is the derivation and meaning behind the SO(2,1) invariance algebra?

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The discussion revolves around the derivation and meaning of the SO(2,1) invariance algebra, particularly focusing on the operators and commutators that define it. Participants explore the mathematical framework and implications of these generators within the context of Lie algebras.

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  • Askalot seeks clarification on the derivation of the SO(2,1) Lie algebra from the given commutation relations involving the generators D, H, and K.
  • One participant explains that the generators can be understood through a Taylor expansion of a member of SO(2,1) close to the identity, introducing the concept of infinitesimals and their corresponding operators.
  • Askalot presents definitions for the operators H (Hamiltonian), D (dilation operator), and K, citing their forms and noting that they do not contain dimensional parameters.
  • Askalot expresses confusion regarding the definitions of the operators and the derivation of SO(2,1) from them, indicating a need for further explanation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as Askalot continues to seek clarification on the definitions and derivations, while other contributions provide partial insights without resolving the confusion.

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Askalot's understanding of the operators and their roles in deriving the algebra remains incomplete, highlighting potential gaps in the explanation of the mathematical framework and the definitions of the generators.

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Hello,
Please excuse me about my ignorance.
I would like to know how SO(2,1) Lie algebra, is derived from operators and commutators.
I have some notes, that the Lie algebra of SO(2,1) is derived from:
[D,H]=-iH
[K,D]=-iK
[H,K]=2iD
where D, H, and K are the "generators".
I have no clue what does the word "generators" mean, nor how commutators derive an algebra.
Please let me know.
Thank you,
Askalot.
 
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Imagine a member of SO(2,1) (M) which is very close to identity. So you can taylor expand it:
[itex] M \approx I+\varepsilon^\mu L_\mu[/itex]
Where I have used the Einstein summation convention and [itex]\mu[/itex] runs through the dimensions of the lie group. The operators(marices) [itex]L_\mu[/itex] are called the generators.
So just find out the dimensions of your lie group, then consider all its parameters to be infinitesimals and then expand w.r.t. those parameters to first order. The operator multiplying the infinitesimal corresponding to a dimension, is the generator in that dimension.
Then you should only determine the commutators of these operators.
 
I found in some notes, that H=Hamiltonian= \frac{1}{2} \nabla^2 + \upsilon\delta(r) and it does not contain dimensional parameters,
D = dilation operator = tH - (rp + pr) and $\frac{dD}{dt} = 0$, and
$K = -t^2H + 2tD + \frac{1}{2}r^2$ and $\frac{dK}{dt} = 0$.
It states that the invariance algebra, following from the above is SO(2,1).

Still I cannot understand why and how, were these operators D, K defined and also, how you can derive SO(2,1) out of them!
Thank you for your time,
Askalot.
 
askalot said:
I found in some notes, that H=Hamiltonian= \frac{1}{2} \nabla^2 + \upsilon\delta(r) and it does not contain dimensional parameters,
D = dilation operator = tH - (rp + pr) and $\frac{dD}{dt} = 0$, and
$K = -t^2H + 2tD + \frac{1}{2}r^2$ and $\frac{dK}{dt} = 0$.
It states that the invariance algebra, following from the above is SO(2,1).

Still I cannot understand why and how, were these operators D, K defined and also, how you can derive SO(2,1) out of them!
Thank you for your time,
Askalot.
See this post
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/why-is-lorentz-group-in-3d-sl-2-r.764072/#post-4815039
 

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