What is the Derivative of g(x) when x=0 in the Equation g(x) + x sin g(x) = x^2?

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The problem involves finding the derivative of a function g(x) at x=0, given the equation g(x) + x sin g(x) = x^2. The discussion centers around implicit differentiation and the application of the product and chain rules in calculus.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using implicit differentiation and substituting values into the equation. Some express confusion over the differentiation steps, particularly regarding the application of the product and chain rules. There are attempts to clarify the correct form of the derivative and the implications of substituting x=0.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on differentiation techniques and questioning the accuracy of previous steps. There is an exploration of different interpretations of the derivative and the conditions under which it is evaluated.

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Participants note the importance of determining the value of g(0) as part of the process, and there is mention of potential missing elements in the differentiation steps that could affect the outcome.

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Homework Statement



If g(x) + x sin g(x) = x^2 find g'(0)

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At this point I have tried a few things but hit deadends. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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try using implict differentiation, then sub in for x = 0
 
Or just differentiate.

Show us what you have tried...
 
my first step took me to this:
g'(x) + xcos g'(x) + sin g(x) = 2x
then i set it equal to g'(x)
g'(x)= 2x- sin g(x)/xcos(1)
I would then plug in 0 but that makes the denominator 0
 
chaslltt said:
my first step took me to this:
g'(x) + xcos g'(x) + sin g(x) = 2x

The first, third, and fourth terms are correct, but the second is wrong. To differentiate x sin(g(x)) you need the product rule and the chain rule.
d/dx(x sin(g(x))) = x*d/dx(sin(g(x)) + 1* sin(g(x))

d/dx(sin(g(x)) is NOT cos(g'(x)). That's not how the chain rule works.

What should you get with d/dx(f(g(x))?
 
d/dx f(g(x)) would be f'(x)g(x)*g'(x)
 
Yes. Now what is d/dx(sin(g(x))?
 
cos(g(x))*g'(x)
 
Yes. Now put this back your differentiation problem for the part that was incorrect.
 
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alright i ended up getting
g'(x)= 2x- sin g(x)/(1+cos g(x)
so then i plug in the 0 but what is g(0)
 
  • #11
have a look at your original equation, when x = 0
 
  • #12
not quite my friends...there is a solution to this one. dig more.
 
  • #13
yeah i think we already outlined it
 
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chaslltt said:
alright i ended up getting
g'(x)= 2x- sin g(x)/(1+cos g(x)
so then i plug in the 0 but what is g(0)

First of all there's something missing in this equation: the x in front of cos g(x).
 
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blake knight said:
First of all there's something missing in this equation: the x in front of cos g(x).

You should obtain an equation in the form of: g'(x)=[2x-sin g(x)]/[1+xcos g(x)].
 
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blake knight said:
You should obtain an equation in the form of: g'(x)=[2x-sin g(x)]/[1+xcos g(x)].

Now, understanding what the problem really asks for, it is asking for g'(0), meaning what is the value of g'(x) when x=0.
 
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blake knight said:
Now, understanding what the problem really asks for, it is asking for g'(0), meaning what is the value of g'(x) when x=0.

You can substitute 0 now for x, you will end up getting: g'(0) = -sin g(x)<----this solves the problem.
 

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