What is the difference between a vector and a vector space?

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The discussion centers around the distinction between a vector and a vector space, exploring both intuitive and abstract understandings of these concepts. Participants express confusion regarding the term "vector space" and its relation to vectors, touching on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a vector is an object characterized by both magnitude and direction, while a vector space is a more abstract concept that encompasses collections of vectors.
  • One participant compares the relationship between a vector and a vector space to that of a real number and the number line, suggesting that the set of all 3D spatial vectors forms a vector space, but there are other types of vector spaces as well.
  • Another participant emphasizes the basic rules of a vector space, noting that the sum of two vectors and the scalar multiple of a vector both result in vectors that remain within the space.
  • A later reply suggests that studying linear algebra is necessary for a deeper understanding of vector spaces and mentions the relevance of bra-ket notation in quantum mechanics as a preparatory tool.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretations of the concepts, with no clear consensus on the definitions or implications of vector spaces versus vectors. Some participants agree on the need for further study in linear algebra, while others provide differing perspectives on the nature of vector spaces.

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Limitations include the reliance on intuitive versus abstract definitions of vectors and vector spaces, as well as the potential for misunderstanding due to the complexity of the concepts involved.

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What is the difference between a vector and a vector space? I get that a vector is an object with both magnitude and direction, but am confused by the term "vector space". Does a vector space simply refer to a collection of vectors? Thanks!
 
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I suppose you can say that a vector space is a collection of "vectors", but the issue you seems to be having is that you are using only an intuitive view of a vector. A vector space is a more abstract concept and it is not restricted to "arrows in 3d space", you should look for a book of linear algebra to learn about the subject.
 
MNskating said:
What is the difference between a vector and a vector space?

I think of it as similar to the difference between a (real) number and the number line; or the difference between a complex number and the complex (Argand) plane.

As andresB noted, the 3-d spatial vectors that we learn about in intro physics classes are only one example of the more abstract mathematical concept of "vector". The set of all 3-d spatial vectors is a vector space, but it's not the only vector space.

Knowing that some set of mathematical objects and their associated operations form a vector space is useful, because you can use your experience with other vector spaces to guide you in working with them. When I was first learning quantum mechanics as an undergraduate, it was a big "aha!" moment for me when I saw that integrals like $$\int{\psi_1^*(x)\psi_2(x)dx}$$ were like vector dot products ##\vec v_1 \cdot \vec v_2##, etc.
 
Basic rules of a vector space (collection of vectors). Sum of two vectors is a vector in the space. Scalar multiple of a vector is a vector in the space.
 
MNskating said:
What is the difference between a vector and a vector space? I get that a vector is an object with both magnitude and direction, but am confused by the term "vector space". Does a vector space simply refer to a collection of vectors?

You need to study linear algebra. But since this is the quantum physics sub-forum doing it using the bra-ket notation will prepare you for its use in QM:
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/751.mf1i.fall02/751LinearAlgebra.pdf

Thanks
Bill
 

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