What is the difference between Δv/Δt and dv/dt in calculus?

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The discussion centers on the difference between the expressions Δv/Δt and dv/dt in calculus, focusing on their interpretations in terms of average versus instantaneous rates of change. Participants explore the conceptual underpinnings of these terms, particularly in the context of velocity and time intervals.

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  • Some participants note that "delta" indicates a change over a non-zero time interval, while "d" signifies an instantaneous rate of change as the time interval approaches zero.
  • One participant explains that Δv/Δt represents the average change in velocity over a specified time interval, contrasting it with dv/dt, which is the instantaneous rate of change of velocity.
  • Another participant emphasizes the limit process involved in calculus, stating that dv/dt is derived from the limit of Δv/Δt as Δt approaches zero.
  • A further example is provided, illustrating how average velocity over a trip does not reflect instantaneous velocity, highlighting the importance of smaller time intervals for accuracy in measuring velocity at a specific moment.

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Participants generally agree on the fundamental distinction between average and instantaneous rates of change, but there is no consensus on the implications of these differences in practical applications or interpretations.

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The discussion does not resolve the nuances of how these concepts apply in various scenarios, nor does it address potential limitations in understanding or applying the definitions of Δv/Δt and dv/dt.

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I know delta means change , but I don't what the difference between Δv/Δt vs dv/dt is ?

I am at the noob end of calculus so trying to grasp how to interpret things like dv/dt or what what dv would mean if it were standing alone.

TIA
 
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1. When we use "delta" rather than "d", we mean that, say "delta v"/"delta t" is the average change in "v" over the non-zero time interval "delta t".
2. Now, dv/dt is what we call the instantaneous rate of change in "v", that is the limit of "delta v"/"delta t" as we let the time interval "delta t" shrink to zero.
 
The "delta t shrinking to 0" is the limit process:
\dfrac{dx}{dt}= \lim_{\Delta t \to 0}\dfrac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}

Calculus texts typically spend a good deal of time on the "limit" concept.
 
Suppose that at time ##t_0## a car starts at a point ##x_0## and travels to point x arriving at time t. Then the average velocity of the car over its trip is ## \Delta x/ \Delta t = \frac {x-x_0}{t-t_0}## -- that is the change in distance divided by the change in time.

This tells you nothing about the velocity at any given moment. The car likely started at 0, gained speed up to a certain point, stopped for a light, got lost and had to go back a block, etc. So if you want to know how fast the car was traveling, and in what direction, at any given moment, ## \Delta x/ \Delta t ## tells you almost nothing.

But if you look at the average velocity of a small time period, that is closer to the velocity at any given time ##t_0## in the period. Make the time period smaller yet, and you are closer yet to the velocity at ##t_0##.

The genius of calculus was to see that you can let that time interval go to 0 and ## \Delta x/ \Delta t## may "converge" to a simple number -- say 30 mph. That is dx/dt -- the instantaneous velocity.
 

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