What Is the Difference Between Proper and Improper Subsets? Examples Included!

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The discussion revolves around the differences between proper and improper subsets, including definitions and examples. Participants explore the mathematical definitions and varying interpretations of these concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the difference between proper and improper subsets, requesting examples.
  • Another participant explains that a proper subset is a non-empty subset that is not equal to the whole set, providing examples of subsets of {1, 2, 3}.
  • A different participant mentions that they do not use the term "improper subset," but defines it as a subset that is equal to the whole set, including the empty set as a possible case.
  • Some participants note that different texts may define "proper subset" variably, with some excluding the empty set while others do not.
  • One participant introduces a related concept from number theory, explaining that aliquot parts of an integer are considered proper divisors, which do not include the integer itself.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of what constitutes a proper subset, with no consensus on the inclusion of the empty set in the definition. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the terminology and definitions used in various texts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions provided, as participants rely on different texts and interpretations, which may lead to confusion regarding the terms "proper" and "improper" subsets.

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I need some help here ...

I won't to know what the difference between the proper and improper subset ... with examples ...
 
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If you check the definition of a subset of some set X, you will find that also the empty set {} and X itself satisfy it.

However, our intuition often says that a subset should really be "smaller" than X, for example, {1, 2, 3} should not be a subset of {1, 2, 3}, but {1, 2} should.

This is what we try to capture in "proper subset". Mathematically, it is a non-empty subset not equal to the whole set.

So {1, 2, 3} and {1, 2} are both subsets of {1, 2, 3}, but only {1, 2} is a proper subset
 


thank you Mr. Compuchip ...


but what about improper subset ...
 


I never used that word.
But apparently S is an improper subset of X if and only if S = X.
(Personally, I would then also include the case of S being empty here).
 


thank you again Mr . Compuchip ... thank you so much ...
 


Some texts (I think the majority) use the phrase "proper subset of A" to mean any subset of A other than A itself. Other texts use the phrase to mean any subset of A other than A itself or the empty set.
 


In another context, the set of divisors of an integer are called the aliquot parts, where the divisors are said to be "proper", i.e., the set does not include the number itself.

Thus, the aliquot parts of 12 are {1,2,3,4,6}. 12 is not included as it is not a "proper" divisor.
 
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thank you again so much
 

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