What is the distance between star 1 and 2 if the net force of star 2 is zero?

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The problem involves three stars aligned in a line, with specific mass relationships and a requirement that the net force on the second star is zero. The original poster seeks to determine the distance between the first and second stars based on these conditions.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the forces acting on the second star and how to set up equations based on the given mass ratios and distances. There are attempts to manipulate the force equations and explore the implications of the mass relationships.

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Several participants have engaged in deriving equations and checking assumptions about the forces and distances. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables, and some participants express uncertainty about their manipulations and the correctness of their reasoning.

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Participants note the importance of the gravitational constant and the squared relationship of distance in the force equation, leading to discussions about the implications of these factors on their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Three stars lie on a line (1,2,3). The distance from star 1 to star 3 is labelled as D. If star 1 is four times that of star 3, and seven times of star 2, what is the distance between star 1 and 2 if the net force of star 2 is zero?

Homework Equations


F=[tex]\frac{Gm1m2}{r^{2}}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution


Since the net force for star 2 is zero, I know that the force between star 1 and 2 is the same as the force between start 2 and 3

[tex]\frac{Gm1m2}{r^{2}}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{Gm2m3}{r^{2}}[/tex]

I tried to sub in values to find the force between star 1 and 3

F=[tex]\frac{Gm3(4m3)}{D}[/tex]

but I'm not sure where to go from here...

Thank you
 
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[tex]m_1=4m_3=7m_2[/tex]

So then, the distance between star 1 and star 2 is x, and the distance between star 2 and star 3 is D-x. Can you go on from here?
 
errr..I think so.
Here's what I've 'tried' so far

[tex]\frac{Gm1m2}{x}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{Gm2m3}{D-x}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{G7m^{2}}{x}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{Gm2m3}{D-x}[/tex]

Cross multiply:
[tex]\frac{G7m2^{2}}{Gm2m3}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]
G's cancel, so do m2

[tex]\frac{7m2}{m3}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]

if 4m3=7m2
then m3=(7/4)m2

so,
[tex]\frac{1}{4}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]

now to find for x?

(D-x)=4x
D-x=4x
D=4x+x

x=[tex]\frac{D}{5}[/tex]

not sure if it's the right way, or if I'm just messing around with variables, or if the force between 1 and 3 has any use (yikes!)
Anyone willing to verify?

but yeeeah...times like these when I wonder why I took physics as an option when I'm planning to do arts *sighs*
thanks for your help!
 
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minimax said:
if 4m3=7m2
then m3=(7/4)m2

so,
[tex]\frac{G}{4}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]

1. Where did that G/4 come from?
2. [tex]F \propto \frac{1}{r^2}[/tex]
 
whoops, the G's cancel out too

I got the 1/4 from dividing G7m2 by G(7/4)m2

so...[tex]\frac{1}{4}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]
to get x=D/5
 
minimax said:
[tex]\frac{7m2}{m3}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]

if 4m3=7m2
then m3=(7/4)m2

so,
[tex]\frac{1}{4}[/tex]=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]

Does [tex]\frac{7m_2}{m_3}=\frac{1}{4}[/tex] when [tex]m_3=\frac{7m_2}{4}[/tex]?

You also haven't addressed my 2nd point.
 
shizz..
no, it is not 1/4...but 4 instead
4=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]

as for your second point: the inverse proportionality of distance to Force...
the larger the distance, the smaller the force...
 
But it's not distance, it's distance squared.
 
so what you're saying is that I have to square my x and D-x values right?
 
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Well, if the formula is given by [tex]F=\frac{Gm_1m_2}{r^2}[/tex], should you?
 
  • #11
merde. i feel like I am going around in circles...

ok, so if i squared it

4=[tex]\frac{x^{2}}{(D-x)^{2}}[/tex]
square rooting it, i get

2=[tex]\frac{x}{D-x}[/tex]
cross multiplying and expanding...
x=[tex]\frac{2D}{3}[/tex]
 
  • #12
Looks good to me.
 
  • #13
yay! thanks for your help and patience Snazzy!
 

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